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Amuro1X
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Freya is a legitimate goddess of love. So more than a boss, she's an object of worship. Many of her worshipers owe their life to her, and they would do anything for even a moment of her affection. When your god tells you to do something, you do it, basically. Even if you don't like it. |
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GhostD
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I love it when the reviews come out literally hours after the episode itself. It's clear how excited Rebecca is about this. This ep is especially good and emotional
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Marzan
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They really need to make those Ais/Bell encounters last longer considering how important she is to the story.
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NeverConvex
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I don't know what her being a goddess has to do with it; the city's filled with gods and goddesses, and we see everything from fawning adoration to active butting heads between them and their 'children'. Even in-universe, it's pretty clear that god/goddess doesn't mean they're necessarily an object of worship, and that the people in-universe are free to choose whether to join a particular family or not, besides. If many of her family owe their live to her, though, that could help explain it. Maybe the show will dig into that at some point. Currently they just kind've seem to be an inexplicably devoted cult. |
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MFrontier
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It really shows you how excessive Hedin is being when even the rest of his Familia are like "bro, maybe you're going too far." Also, Hogni seems like he's really come to see Bell as a friend! That's kind of sweet, minus the gaslighting.
Note to self, don't bring up Allen's sister in front of him. Of course Hestia would keep something plot relevant in her cleavage. Hestia's Hestia's are a vital tool in her arsenal. Freya does make for an enticing bedmate, but it's ironic that the one thing still holding Bell back is the memory of rejecting her as Syr. It's kind of interesting to think that Mama Mia actually left Freya Familia but Freya actually allowed herself to work under Mama Mia and be put through the same thing the other girls were with Mama Mia not giving her any special treatment. Feels like they have a complicated relationship. But Mama Mia still wants to help Bell here...maybe a part of her wants Ryu and Syr back. I think there's probably a legitimate critique to be had of making the main girl who Bell puts above all others one he doesn't really get to interact with near as much and who hardly appears in the main anime (not complimented by how her spinoff that actually dives deeper into her character and feelings was basically screwed over anime-wise), but that Ais' memories of Bell and her feelings for him are etched so deep into her body that she can still recall them emboldening him to not give up is still a very powerful scene. Clever Hermes! Gets put under a charm effect that he can't naturally uncover without getting amnesia, he just finds a workaround! I'm curious how this hearth will bring things together. I mean, Hestia is the Goddess of hearth, isn't she? Hedin is happy Bell has gotten his resolve back but to what end? If he's truly loyal to Freya, maybe he feels it's in his best interest to support Bell being himself and not giving up? Even Freya seems like she's starting to have doubts. Maybe that's the Syr part of her. |
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jr240483
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true, but i feel she is throwing a lot of red herrings around regarding the anime and certain members of the freya familia! especially since most of us in the forums read the freya familia chronicles manga/light novels! |
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Thesarum
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I for one am anime only. I am of course aware that Rebecca has read everything mankind has ever committed to paper it seems, and might be misdirecting us in trying to discard that knowledge and extrapolate from what the anime has shown so far. It's a difficult balance to strike, but I always appreciate the little excursions into the wider folklore and myth context for these stories.
Well, he is Mr Finding-a-way-around-the-rules. Its his entire thing. I did like this bit though. Hermes is always the puppet master, smug in knowing more than anyone else and his command of events. It's good to see how he deals with a situation he's not in control of and can't get all the facts. Of course past-hermes already had a plan in the locker for if Freya did this (he's probably got backup plans for dealing with all the other gods too), so that version of him gets to be smug still.
Hedin is a complex guy, isn't he? He certainly seems pleased that Bell rediscovers his resolve. His speech to his comrades could be genuine, but it could also be only partly true, or part of the truth. I think Freya recognises that this isn't what she really wants. She's attacking the very thing about Bell that she fell for. She gets to cuddle with him but he cries in his sleep and that clearly causes her pain. Her affection for him is genuine if a little selfish and bent out of shape. But she's trapped by her actions, forced to continue down this path. Hedin seems to recognise this, and I think is resolved to try get Freya what she actually wants not what she thought she wanted. Withdrawing Bells guards seems directed towards this end. |
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WatcherZer
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Its about expanding domains, remember Hestia is the goddess of the Hearth and Ouranos assigned Hermes guild to collecting the citys winter wood supply rather than it being the usual Ganesha job.* Make the whole city a hearth and it will be in Hestia's domain rather than Freya's. Freya's domain is the field (literally) of battle, meadows where combat is taking place. She expanded her domain from the Guild that serves as the entrance to the dungeon to encompass the city of warriors.
*Smart bugger |
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FilthyCasual
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This was a great episode. First you have everyone's efforts coming together to free Bell and Orario. Bell and Hestia getting their richly deserved hug and Hestia flexing on Freya by reclaiming her Bell are incredibly satisfying. Then there's Horn's wonderfully portrayed emotional turmoil between her dedication to her goddess, the undeniable happiness that Syr felt, and her own love for Bell that spawned from the time she spent watching him. What a masterclass monologue. Bell's confrontation with Freya is another highlight; it's great seeing him easily puncture Freya's self-assured façade and resolve to help his friend.
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GhostD
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Horn's love for Bell resulted from her sharing Freya's emotions via her magic. On her own I doubt she would have felt that way
Bors? Wrong guy. He's the head of Rivira in the 18th floor of the Dungeon |
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Princess_Irene
ANN Associate Editor
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You're right, I meant Ottar. I was up at 4 am with my dad and my brain fused "Ottar" with "boaz." |
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njprogfan
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I can watch that scene between Freya and Bell over an over, the heated exchange just shows how much Bell is such a classy, big-hearted and pure character and Freya is such a sad, lonely and in-my-eyes, a sympathetic one. As this season progressed my out and out hate for Freya grew, but this episode changed my heart. I can now understand why Freya becomes Syr and it saddens me that anyone needs to go to such horrid lengths to achieve happiness and love. The classic, 'It's lonely at the top' really, really hits home here. You couldn't get me wanting the hollowness that comes with be a higher being as these Gods and Godesses, of course unless you mingle with the lower class as does Hestia and more power to her, (as she displayed so magnificently). Now, let see about this War Game, GO TEAM HESTIA!!!!
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NeverConvex
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That was a fun episode, but the 'war game' feels contrived to me. They literally just broke Freya's city-wide mind control, including on essentially everyone in the guild. And, she constructed and maintained it entirely to gaslight a single 14-year old hero into loving her; it's not like there's any argument about whether it was a necessary evil or something. The idea that it's necessary to construct an artificial contest to deal with the fallout of that is totally bizarre.
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killjoy_the
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They'll (hopefully) explain it better next episode but like Loki said, there's just no way the Guild, representing humanity in general, could ask or demand Freya to just bugger off. The familia is too powerful and necessary in order to complete the 3... Trials? Objectives? The Heroes thing that's been in the background and used for justification of the whole dungeon system every once in a while |
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Key
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There are three main reasons this will happen: 1) As killjoy_the mentioned, Freya Familia is just too powerful to be punished by ordinary means, especially if they resist. (Though the anime mostly skipped over it, they did take some punishment for wiping out Ishtar, but Freya tolerated that because she had accomplished her objective.) 2) As Loki alludes to, the all-out war that would result if an uncontrolled pitched battle against Freya Familia erupted would be highly damaging to both the city and the city's purpose. (Ouranos's words about why Freya didn't go farther than she did with her charm also play into this.) Better to settle everyone's grudge in a more structured fashion in a venue where the city wouldn't be damaged. 3) This is the long-established way to settle high-level disputes in the city since there isn't a true police force or military. (That it's entertainment for the gods probably has something to do with this, too.) Now, I'll totally agree that the flaw with this is that it normally means that the most powerful Familias can pretty much get away with anything, but as you'll see, that's not necessarily the case this time. |
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