Forum - View topicThis Week in Anime - So, Is Sound Euphonium Queerbaiting or Not?
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Cardcaptor Takato
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The Anime Binge-Watcher
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That does not, in fact, happen. Kanbaru never expresses romantic feelings for Araragi and her sequel series is about her relationship with another girl. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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The Anime Binge-Watcher
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Shockingly, a gay character liking gay stories does not make them less gay. And if Kanbaru ever showed actual interest in Araragi beyond screwing with him for fun, you'll have to point it out because that's as far as I remember it going. |
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Juno016
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Monogatari 100% utilizes the male gaze to over-sexualize the lesbian, and her teasing Araragi is definitely part of that, but in the novels, it is repeatedly made clear that both characters are aware that it is teasing and she doesn't have romantic feelings for him, so her commitment as a lesbian is never actually questioned, which is something. I agree it's a bad example of a show doing a lesbian character for the sake of a lesbian audience (it's definitely for the male audience), but as an aside, you would be shocked at just how many lesbians read and draw BL like it's an obsession. A lot of us are attracted more to the equal social standing of the characters (no gendered coupling status), and don't really care about what gender the characters are. It's hard to find that with het romance in manga, and while yuri is cute and heartwarming sometimes, it's also rare to find yuri drawn by actual lesbians telling lesbian stories for other lesbians (they're all drawing BL manga, go figure). Just more food for thought. ^^ |
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Nev999
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First you're saying that that a girl confessing her love to another girl is not enough to convince you she's gay/queer or even in love, that she has to get an anime nosebleed and somehow express that she's having sex/ experiencing specifically sexual attraction, despite the fact there are plenty of gay people that don't have high libidos or any at all (I'm one of them) and feel romantic attraction first and foremost. Despite the fact there are plenty of chaste het romances that don't do this, Now you're saying them confirming they're gay is bad writing and instead they should just say they're in love (which you won't accept as evidence they're gay or in love). Which is it? Do characters have to jump through hoops and blatantly state things het couples don't have to before you accept that they're queer or do you hate it when they actually express they're queer? I think at this point you have to admit you want to interpret them as a straight and you don't like it when they talk about their identities because then you can't do that. That's why you like "ambiguity". If you're honest about it, I can at least respect that. Plenty of young girls in a relationship are aware they're gay before they get in a relationship. Actually, I'd say most of them are. And as has been pointed out, real gay people say "I'm gay" all the time, especially if they've had an epiphany about their sexuality, are coming out or broaching the idea of a romantic relationship. I and my partner talk about being lesbians all the time and have a litany of jokes based on our experiences as a lesbian. Those webtoons you hate are likely queer people reflecting their own experiences. But you've made it clear that's something you don't like. I also notice that no one has argued my statement that if a het couple had a scene like Reina and Kumiko's you'd expect this to be followed up on and become a romantic plotline and it would be baffling if the story dropped it with zero explanation. Probably because you know this is right, but don't want to admit it to either yourselves or me. |
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I think you're misinterpreting what the poster you're responding to said. That poster seemed to be indicating that they prefer interpreting sexual preference and romance from context rather than forthright declarations. I can't say I agree with that (I prefer more straightforward declarations myself), but the poster isn't denying the veracity of such declarations.
But this does happen with het couples, too, and (unfortunately) not all that infrequently in anime. In general, you're getting rather aggressive here, so please tone down any future responses. |
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oilers2007
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I think it's a simple case of if nothing is ever confirmed then there's plausible deniability and wiggle room for people's head-canons to still exist. Because 9 times out of 10 when it comes to stuff like this any hard confirmation in an anime or manga is one that goes against what certain people want. See when the director of this series explicitly saying it's platonic friendship. If they never said that then yuri fans could still insist this was a yuri series and anyone who didn't see it as such were wrong and clearly not understanding the series. It comes down to which side of the argument a series being ambiguous will help. |
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Piglet the Grate
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Yes, because clearly stating things would avoid these pointless Internet shipping discussions. Maybe we need to bring over the on-screen stat sheets from contemporary isekai and have them include gender and relationship preferences.
Why is this considered a good outcome as opposed to eliminating ambiguity - increased audience/commercial success?
I will always take the side of authorial intent over what I want to see (otherwise I should write my own story). |
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Yuvelir
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I'm coming like two weeks late, but the queerbaiting in Euphonium really annoyed me. Specially since that relationship became the only thing I was actually enjoying of that series other than the beautiful animation since I'm not big on neither sports anime or group drama. The Taki-sensei stuff, coming after that seduction scene, felt like a punch to the teeth. I gave it another chance with S2 but... yeah, no. All that beautiful rendition was being used on a base I had absolutely no interest on, so I've stayed off UFO there on.
I didn't even give a chance to the Liz and the Blue Bird film no matter how much people insisted on how beautiful it is, and how gay. From Euphonium? And with those two characters in particular knowing them from S2? Nah, pass. |
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Panino Manino
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Shuichi that is "hypothetically" Kumiko's boyfriend virtually disappeared from the series.
Meanwhile 90% of Kumiko and Reina's interactions is the two flirting like girlfriends. And it's not limited to these two. In episode 7 Natsuki and Yuko made an appearance and both where matching hairpins. This series wastes not opportunities for baiting. |
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Rvby1
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This thread gave me some inspiration to write up some thoughts (and join the forum!) after watching the finale. I posted them over on AniList and don't want to spam a huge post here... though I can. Side note: AniList is very against the gay reading of this show LMAO or maybe my review is just bad. Who's to say?
WARNING: MAJOR SEASON 3 SPOILERS: spoiler[ https://anilist.co/review/24932 TLDR: I don't think it's queerbait, per say, but it is definitely a squandering of what I consider to be one of the most beautiful and realistic portrayals of sapphic love. From a writing perspective, it would have been so easy for them to wrap it up, but they chose not to, and that leaves an awful taste in my mouth.] |
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