Forum - View topicDo you think Pokemon was the reason anime became mainstream in the US during the 90s and 2000s?
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mgree0032
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Some people said that Pokemon was the show that made anime mainstream in the US in the 90s and 2000s. Do you think that Pokemon was actually the reason why anime became mainstream in the US back in the 90s and 2000s, or was it something else?
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Flash33
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I don't think it was the sole reason but I do definitely think it played a big part along with having good timing with its release alongside other similar shows at the time such as Yugioh and Beyblade.
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Alan45
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I'm afraid I have to disagree. I started as an anime fan in 1997. My impression at the time was that people who were into Pokémon were simply Pokémon fans. Most had no idea what anime was or that Pokémon was part of it. Unlike earlier shows, it was known it came from Japan but the distributors made no attempt to link it to a larger fandom.
Also, I have no idea how you would define "mainstream" for this purpose, but I can't think of a single definition of the word that would be met by anime in the late 1990s and 2000s. Most of the viewing public had never heard of the word anime (including me before I bought my first two VHS tapes on a whim). Most of the time if you mentioned anime to someone you had to explain what it meant. Nowadays things are worlds different. You can mention anime randomly in media without having to define it. Even now though, I would have to question if it qualifies as mainstream. Yes it is significant in the world of streaming video, in US society as a whole, not so much. Probably it has a stronger presence in younger age groups, but that is not the whole of society. |
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Kicksville
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An important thing about Toonami was that it acknowledged anime as anime. It didn't try to hide this from the audience at all, and even presented shows like "Tenchi Muyo", which...well, just look at the title. And it was a huge success story.
I feel like defining "mainstream" or "popularity" has been a thing people have gone back and forth on regarding anime for years. If you ask me, there is no doubt in my mind anime become more mainstream than ever before in that era, but sometimes I see people downplay that in favor of saying that like...it wasn't mainstream until My Hero Academia existed or whatever. Or that it NEVER become mainstream, and never DID and never WILL. Everyone's got their own bias. Now, you have celebrities who are lifelong anime fans and do not hide it, but people will still say it's not anywhere close to "mainstream". I think, at the very least, anime and manga are quite possibly the biggest "niche" out there. People who do not watch it at all know what "anime" is. I figure that counts. But that aside: My personal take? Yes, I think anime became mainstream in the late 90s, and I think it was due to a combination of Toonami, video tape/DVD, Pokemon, and video games. I think Pokemon was helpful, but all those other things had to be in place for "anime" as a whole to benefit. |
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Jose Cruz
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Anime can be regarded mainstream if a popular anime like Frieren becomes as popular as shows like Star Wars The Acolyte, Fallout, and Game of Thrones. If you look at this list https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/popular-tv-shows/, how many anime are there? Zero. So, anime is still not mainstream in the US, but its more popular than ever, but not yet mainstream.
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Barciad
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One of the reasons. It was a 'gateway drug', especially for the young. But not the only one. The point is Pokemon was a kids show. The trick was finding anime that could be exposed teenagers and young adults, and the mediums with which to do it.
Initially this meant channels like 'Toonami' and 'Adult Swim', and series like 'DBZ' and 'Gundam Wing'. The next step was the rise of the internet, and all that came with it. Communities and news sights (for example ANN) on the one hand. Torrenting and streaming on the other. It meant people knew what was out there, and they knew how to get access to it. |
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free2slap
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I was perhaps seeing DBZ being the central of the movement. Your anime must have helped pushing forward as well.
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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For starters Pokemon didn't debut here until 1998 I believe. So it certainly had little impact on anime in the 90's given that. I won't it had none, but very little. Now as we go into the 2000's I will say it had some, but not as much as you think. While it certainly is anime, back then it wasn't seen quite as anime. During that time I worked at Sam Goody/Suncoast. Movies and Music store chains. In fact their parent company had a lot to do with the big anime bubble burst, but that's another topic. During the late 90's and early 00's I can say most anime fans who came into the store(s) to buy anime did not consider Pokemon to be anime. A lot of parents also thought of it more as a Western/American cartoon. Perhaps other people in different areas had different experiences. During this time what was or was not considered anime was also a big debate.
I think it while it certainly is/was popular and played a part I don't think as large of a part. I think perhaps a better distinction is think it's popularity might have helped show the Japanese side of things there is a good market over here, but I don't know if on the US side of things it helped grow the anime market (or what was at least seen as the anime market back then) nearly as much as other factors. I think Toonami for example, played a much bigger role. |
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Spawn29
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For younger kids, most likely yes. However, anime was already popular with teens and adults before Pokemon. Anime was common to find video stores and there was anime blocks on TV. Titles like Ninja Scroll and Akira were talked about video store owners and other movie geeks. Ghost in the Shell was getting critical acclaim by the like of Roger Ebert. Movies like The Matrix were made by two film makers were definitely not introduced to anime by the likes of Pokemon, DBZ, or Yu-Gi-Oh.
Stuff like Pokemon was mocked by older anime and manga fans on the web. If you said that you like Digimon or Pokemon, people would assume that you're a young kid on the Internet or a total man child living with their mom (that stigma was very common at the time).
Sci-Fi had their own anime block long before Toonami did and they acknowledge it as anime. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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I think it's limiting the scope of anime history to contribute the evolution of anime popularity to one single show or a specific era when it's obviously combination of various eras and shows, fandom support, and network marketing and company distribution. The rise of cable Internet being easily accessible to the masses also played a huge part in making anime more accessible.
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Spawn29
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I always felt like Akira help put anime on the map in the states. Showing that anime wasn't dumb edited shows like Robotech and Battle of the Planets were. We started to see more anime on VHS afterwards.
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RupanSansei
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speed racer aside from Westernizing people's names came unedited in the 1960s if i recall correctly
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