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NEWS: Australia Bans Import, Sales of How NOT to Summon a Demon Lord Omega Anime


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Panophobia



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:39 am Reply with quote
Angel M Cazares wrote:
I didn't know that Australia was also run by morons.


What did you expect? It is a country, that lost a war against literal fligtless birds.
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gridsleep





PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:01 am Reply with quote
Simply stupid. Just order it from America or Japan. Yes, the post has a right to open and inspect packages, but, really, no one has enough people to inspect every package sent from overseas.
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Ringking



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:36 pm Reply with quote
Australians be like: Oh no, anyway... *buys from overseas*.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:29 pm Reply with quote
Ringking wrote:
Australians be like: Oh no, anyway... *buys from overseas*.


If you live in Australia I would strongly advise against that. Importing something that has been denied classification is illegal and could get you prison time!
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coates32
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:18 pm Reply with quote
ComicGuy105 wrote:

That actually wouldn't happen, the decisions aren't based on personal preference. I did some reading little while ago on how the classification process actually works in Australia and there a lot of misconceptions. First thing that needs to be understood is that classification is based on a report written by a boardmember outlining the reasoning for their decision in accordance with the classification guidelines. The report is then read by the other members who then must vote to approve the classification. The second thing that needs to be understood is that the board itself does not make the guidelines which they follow. So just because they made a decision in accordance with those guidelines, does not mean the agree with the guidelines. In fact the board has made submissions to the government to change the guidelines multiple times in the past. Third is that it's not just the level of violence or sex that affects the classification, but also the context. If the content is justified in in the context the media presents, then that can actually lower the classification.

Sorry if this was long. I tried my best, but please keep in mind I'm not an expert. This is not me trying to defend or attack the classification board. This is just me trying to clear up to misconceptions.


Thanks for adding some context to how Australia handle there rating system. As an American, it still comes off as strange that Australia's rating system is at leas partially government regulated, even when it presents problems like this.
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Greboruri



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 5:32 pm Reply with quote
ScruffyKiwi wrote:
If you live in Australia I would strongly advise against that. Importing something that has been denied classification is illegal and could get you prison time!

This is untrue. In every state and territory with the exception of Western Australia, it is perfectly legal to possess Refused Classification material. The obvious exceptions are child pornography and the like.

Where you could potentially get into legal trouble is if the police determine that you obtained the material to publicly show or distribute. I've read that Western Australian authorities will jail you for possession, but the legislation only says a maximum penalty of $10,000.
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King Chicken



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:09 pm Reply with quote
Greboruri wrote:
This is untrue. In every state and territory with the exception of Western Australia, it is perfectly legal to possess Refused Classification material. The obvious exceptions are child pornography and the like.

Where you could potentially get into legal trouble is if the police determine that you obtained the material to publicly show or distribute. I've read that Western Australian authorities will jail you for possession, but the legislation only says a maximum penalty of $10,000.


Sounds like people are better off not doing it then, if it's up to the police and government's 'discretion' to charge you with something or not. I wouldn't put my fate in these peoples hands if they get this irrationally upset over a cartoon or comic
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ComicGuy105



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:49 pm Reply with quote
coates32 wrote:
ComicGuy105 wrote:

That actually wouldn't happen, the decisions aren't based on personal preference. I did some reading little while ago on how the classification process actually works in Australia and there a lot of misconceptions. First thing that needs to be understood is that classification is based on a report written by a boardmember outlining the reasoning for their decision in accordance with the classification guidelines. The report is then read by the other members who then must vote to approve the classification. The second thing that needs to be understood is that the board itself does not make the guidelines which they follow. So just because they made a decision in accordance with those guidelines, does not mean the agree with the guidelines. In fact the board has made submissions to the government to change the guidelines multiple times in the past. Third is that it's not just the level of violence or sex that affects the classification, but also the context. If the content is justified in in the context the media presents, then that can actually lower the classification.

Sorry if this was long. I tried my best, but please keep in mind I'm not an expert. This is not me trying to defend or attack the classification board. This is just me trying to clear up to misconceptions.


Thanks for adding some context to how Australia handle there rating system. As an American, it still comes off as strange that Australia's rating system is at leas partially government regulated, even when it presents problems like this.


Even though the classification board is a federal department, the guidelines are agreed-upon and enforced by the state governments and any changes to the guidelines must be agreed upon unanimously by all the state governments. This is why it took so long to get an R rating for video games because of the South Australian Attorney General held out until he retired. While the states are responsible for the guidelines, they have no power when it comes to actually classifying media, that is up to the board following the classification guidelines. In order to make sure that the board represents current society, board members have term limits and are replaced when their term is up.


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Greboruri



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:07 pm Reply with quote
King Chicken wrote:
Sounds like people are better off not doing it then, if it's up to the police and government's 'discretion' to charge you with something or not. I wouldn't put my fate in these peoples hands if they get this irrationally upset over a cartoon or comic

Unless you are importing child porn or are a repeat offender when importing material which may be RC, then you really have nothing to worry about. Normally customs would just seize the material. If you're caught again trying to import the same thing again, they will give you a fine. That's it. Western Australia is another story.

I mean, to import Discotek's Violence Jack is illegal, but it got through customs fine and is currently sitting on my shelf.

Now there have been cases where people have been in court for various media containing ero elements such as doujinshi, but there hasn't been a case in the last decade or so from memory. One case I recall the guy went to court to get his doujinshi back from customs and he won. Pretty sure that was over a decade ago and I can't recall the specific details.
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ComicGuy105



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:30 pm Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
Can't they sue them to challenge this decision? Even if someone doesn't like this show personally this seems like setting a bad precedent especially as you know like BL shows or any show targeting an LGBTQIA+ audience that they don't approve of the content would likely be next and this feels like setting a bad precedent.


I forgot to mention in my previous reply to you that there is another step that can be taken. An application can be filled in for a review, after which the show would then be reviewed by the review classification board which is a separate group of people from the main classification board. If the review board finds that they don’t agree with the original classification they can change it. It just doesn’t happen straight away because the review board is part time.
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ComicGuy105



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:40 pm Reply with quote
Greed1914 wrote:
While I'm not surprised by this, what really bothers me is that there was no reason given. It's awfully difficult to dispute a decision when you don't know what the problem is, which leaves the options of either making some sort of edits and hope you guess right, or just give up entirely, which I'm sure is what they want in the end.

I believe the classification board is required to send people copies of their reports if they are contacted with a request for one. I guess the problem is no one has actually requested the report for this one yet.
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Ringking



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:53 pm Reply with quote
ScruffyKiwi wrote:
Ringking wrote:
Australians be like: Oh no, anyway... *buys from overseas*.


If you live in Australia I would strongly advise against that. Importing something that has been denied classification is illegal and could get you prison time!


More like a small fine at worst, in the extremely minute chance that someone bothered to open a package that is clearly just a DVD at customs and check it against the database. Either way, I'm not letting some dusty old fucks in parliament dictate what I can and cant watch.
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Holo Wolfgod



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:33 am Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:41 am Reply with quote
I guess some of you Americans/overseas folks must either be young or just blissfully ignorant to the ways down here ahaha, because yeah this has always been a thing. Our classification board has just kinda always been this way, since the wee days of the early 2000's, nothing new, nothing that'll seriously affect anyone's ability to enjoy stuff as usual. People will import and no, no one will care or fine you if you do.

It used to be pretty bad with video games back in the day, where we didn't legally have an R18+ rating for them for the longest time because they were "for kids". Plus this was the early/mid 2000's, so importing was a lot trickier than just going to Amazon/any online shop and hitting buy now. (most people relied on indie game stores to import it for them!) But then after much petitioning and rallying we finally got one! ...only for the board to keep refusing classification to titles instead of properly using that R18+ rating anyway ahaha. The struggle is eternal.

Oh yo, but we do got good healthcare and it's generally paradise here compared to actual bad parts of the world. Just a lil' reality check.
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XSp



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:33 pm Reply with quote
Yeah... it's just one of those cases where no one would've heard about this if they didn't attract so much attention to it... like all the previously stuff stuck in limbo.
By the way, here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments

Age ratings and classification are all fine by me, as well as removing explicitly criminal content, but arbitrary censorship needs to die.
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