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Doctorkev
Joined: 17 Feb 2018
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Location: Scotland
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 Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:01 am
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| kakugo complete wrote: | | "you should watch this DESPITE these elements that even I admit are all over the place in this show" there is so much anime to watch with experimental visuals and nonstandard storytelling without these elements yet you chose to watch this and write as long thinkpiece analyzing it. I don't believe you really hate "objectification" you just feel obligated to say you do |
You can enjoy something as a whole without liking every single aspect of it. It’s that tension between the “good” and the “bad” that inspired me to write the article…
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MagicPolly
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:21 am
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I watched Zaregoto and was only barely able to get through that, so I think I'll stay away from Monogatari. I've tried to read Pretty Boy Detective Club 3 times and fell off by the 4th chapter every time, so I think I'm just not cut out for Nisioisin stuff
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dm
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:31 am
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| MagicPolly wrote: | | I watched Zaregoto and was only barely able to get through that, so I think I'll stay away from Monogatari. I've tried to read Pretty Boy Detective Club 3 times and fell off by the 4th chapter every time, so I think I'm just not cut out for Nisioisin stuff |
I think Zaregoto contained all of Monogatari's flaws and strengths exponentiated. It's a decent indication that (animation-)style alone won't make up for static dialogue, even clever static dialogue (and my Japanese is far too weak to pick up on the cleverness of the dialogue). SHAFT really let themselves get carried away on that one.
I was a SHAFT fan-boy, and... maybe Zaregoto cured me of that.
But: don't let Zaregoto scare you away from Bakemonogatari, at least. I can see dropping off after the first season, though.
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SilverTalon01
Joined: 02 Apr 2012
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Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:05 pm
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| Zalis116 wrote: | | I just wonder what the schedule of punishments is. Maybe something like this?
Toothbrush scene = slap
Shinobu/Tsukihi bathing scenes = slap + divorce
Mayoi molestation scenes = slap + divorce + reported to authorities |
Sounds backwards to me. If I got slapped for watching something, I'd be looking for the divorce.
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HoshizoranoUtage
Joined: 20 Jul 2020
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:27 am
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I keep trying to give Bakemonogatari a try but the fanservice makes me cringe. I usually like youkai/supernatural stories too...With Zaregoto at least I found the mystery interesting, even if the main female character annoyed the heck out of me. Pretty Boy Detective Club I thought I'd like more than I did, since I liked series like Ouran High School Host Club in the past, but the guys weren't hot enough and the story didn't hook me. Maybe I'll give it another try sometime though. At least I liked it more than Bakemonogatari.
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zrdb
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:46 am
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I started with 5 of the UK bluray releases and then said screw it-I'm done here. I like cerebral anime with some gore but this series was just too much for me to handle.
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Dosmundos
Joined: 03 Sep 2018
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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:53 pm
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| HoshizoranoUtage wrote: | | I keep trying to give Bakemonogatari a try but the fanservice makes me cringe. |
If you watch Bakemonogatari, the first scene which involves nudity is Senjougahara changing clothes in front of Araragi. If what you find "cringy" are the bizarre shots along with the conversation, it is okay. I am sure that everybody who watched this for the first time was taken out of their comfort zone and well-entreched expectations for high scool romcoms in some way. However, if you find it cringy because you considered it to be "fanservice" (that is, mindlessly erotic without any deeper relation to the story itself), then it is indeed best for you to stay away from the series.
Yes, there are erotic scenes, and yes, they involve oppai, little sisters, a 500+ year old vampire in the body of a 9 year old girl and a 20 year old girl in the body of the apparition of an elementary school girl who will eventually become deity of a shrine, and of course you are free to feel uncomfortable if this is your mindset, but it is not fanservice (as in my definition above).
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