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SciasSlash
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people are really obsessed with the narrative that these games were the best ever and squeenix had no idea what to do with them. in reality, they were largely mediocre games that sold decently but also cost massive amounts to make, and kept getting diminishing returns. did anyone care about the third tomb raider? |
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Vladimir Morales
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Really? What was your first clue? The fact that everything completely unrelated to Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts and Dragon Quest has failed to make an impact? By this point, I wouldn't be shocked if Square Enix was bought by Sony because the vast majority of titles produced by SE have been PlayStation-exclusives. |
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FireChick
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Not only that, doesn't SE still need to remake the rest of Final Fantasy 7?
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Dark Mac
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It sold more than Stranger of Paradise and Square put out some press releases about it. |
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SciasSlash
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Selling more than stranger of paradise really isnt that impressive. Paradise is very obviously a 'b' game, a spinoff. |
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AmpersandsUnited
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That's not true at all. There's been reports about many games selling above their projected numbers like producer Tomoya Asano thanking fans for making Triangle Strategy such a smash success. One thing Tomb Raider fans need to understand is number of sales don't mean anything on their own. Despite however millions the recent games have sold that has to be compared to how much it cost to make them, market them, and distributing them. If a huge chunk of those sales were from when it was marked down to 20 dollars in stores, from Humble Bundle purchases, or Steam sales when it was 4 dollars then that obviously isn't going to be as massive as the initial numbers say. There's a lot of factors that contribute to a game not performing well or making money. |
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AQuin1904
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A lot of what I've read on the sale of Eidos et al. is focused on the IPs that go with them, but I have a hard time seeing it as such a big deal. Most of them strike me more as "classics" that were major titles but have been steadily declining in relevance for years (something I suspect that price reflects). Not to say that they haven't been good games or couldn't have good sequels, but the prospect of revivals doesn't excite me.
I don't expect SE to make good use of the change either, considering how many ill-conceived or under-baked games and initiatives they've been pouring money into. I have no idea what's going on internally, but their output has been so scattershot for so long that it's hard to feel excitement or anticipation for anything they have coming out. |
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Covnam
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Yeah, while I think SE is doing a lot of things wrong, the numbers in this case speak for themselves. SE said they didn't do well and outsiders went "Whaaa?" when they could only see the sales numbers (and rightly so), but I imagine those kinds of margins aren't something most companies want to continue to risk spending tens of, if not hundreds of, millions of dollars on when any game could end up a flop. |
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Megiddo
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Unlike Capcom which did a phenomenal job at growing their PC gaming audience, Square Enix has done pretty much the exact opposite. Nier Automata had a completely botched port. FF VII Remake and Kingdom Hearts 3 are still bafflingly absent from Steam. They removed the higher quality Dragon Quest XI from purchase on PC and replaced it with a much worse looking port of the Switch version. They are basically doing nothing right for PC gamers.
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prime_pm
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You're Goddamn right I'm a Legacy of Kain fan! Been dying to see something from this series, be it a sequel, a remaster or a remake. Mayne an animated series? I pitched that once (even developed a treatment). Whatever they decide they'd better decide soon; at least three of the original actors are now dead and Michael Bell is at least ten years older than Tony Jay when he died!
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Theozilla
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Do you have a direct source for this? I feel like that would have been reported on more if Yoshida had actually explicitly defended NFTs. Last I heard Yoshida had said NFTs and Blockchain had no place in FFXIV. EDIT: I think you might be misremembering this conversation, while Yoshida unfortunately didn’t wholehearted condemn NFTs, I wouldn't really describe his comments as support for them either. https://www.dualshockers.com/yoship-metaverse-nfts-ffxiv-comments-explained/?amp Last edited by Theozilla on Sat May 07, 2022 5:12 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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pikabot
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I mean, sort-of, but the actual problem is that Squeenix's sale projections for those games were absurd. There was never any chance of them hitting it. Whether those projections were inflated to make their books seem relatively balanced while FFXIV 1.0 was bleeding them dry, or if the people doing the projections were just insanely wrong, either way it points to dysfunctional management at S-E. |
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BadNewsBlues
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Hell of a low bar.
The PC port of Street Fighter V installing a rootlkit opening your PC up to malware. And the janky port of MHW not withstanding?
In the interest of fairness FFXV didn’t have a “positive” impact amongst gamers especially after all that time it spent in development (sympathy and condolences for people who were invested in the game via that post game DLC) and Kingdom Hearts 3 was just as divisive.
Believe it or not people did……eventhough it was the weakest of the new trilogy. |
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Iron Maw
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Because the SE current has released slew of AA titles (Octopath Traveler, NEO TWENTY, Bravely Default games, Nier Automata,Triangle Strategy, SaGa Scarlet GracE Trials of Mana) and midst of reviving once thought dead franchises (Mana Valkyrie Profile, Star Ocean) and making new IP (DioField Chronicles). Just because they aren't focusing on some other specific niche games doesn't mean they aren't do any. Beside Musashi got a sequel back in the PS2 era. So I have no idea why some people in this thread a re acting like SE is some miserable shape. The SE right now is in the most profitable state they have bee its entire history and vast majority of their titles have sold very well. Yeah there some whining about blockchain, but there nothing ever suggest that wasn't any thing but lip-service to investors. At worst it have been something pretty benign. |
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vampiyan
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Kinda sounds like the people who get upset and say every Nintendo announcement and Direct is bad because there wasn't a new Paper Mario game in the style of TTYD being announced. It's a very specific fanbase. As a huge RPG fan though I think they're doing fine and put out plenty of nice games in that genre over the past few years. I always associate Square-Enix with RPGs not their western titles. I'm looking forward to the new Star Ocean game and hope it's good. Their comment about focusing on Japanese style games seemed odd since they're still making Forspoken and that looks very western-ized and I thought it was a western game they were just publishing until I saw the names attached to it. I suppose it's too deep into development to just suddenly stop though if they're just now changing their minds. My main complaint with Square-Enix these days is shoddy PC ports and remasters. They need to do better in those areas. |
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