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Population of anime fans in the US and Japan.


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indrik



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:42 pm Reply with quote
Heh. The creepy old guy who likes to talk to young girls about cartoons... yeah, I'm trying to avoid that one too.

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One key indicator: anime DVD sales in 2007 are estimated to be in the range of $275-300 million, out of a total DVD sales of around $16 billion in the U.S. last year. (These figures are taken from various new sources, including ANN and USA Today.) That amounts to 1.7-1.8% of the U.S. market. Given that anime DVDs are more expensive per unit than normal DVDs, and that anime fans likely buy many more DVDs per capita in a given year than the general public, I feel my figures above are probably reasonable estimations.


If you take the $300M, and divide it by $20 (figuring between online and B&M, an average anime dvd costs about $20) you get 15M units. I believe in that same article it said there were about 600 different anime releases- so that would mean that the average anime title sold about 25,000 copies. Going back to the US population estimate of 300M, (hey- that's a dollar per capita on anime dvds in a year! I digress.) that would be 0.08% of the population. Keeping in mind that those are huge assumptions and seriously hand-waving arguments, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people who buy dvds were actually in the neighborhood of three or four times that amount- I'd be stunned if I bought 150 anime dvds last year. (But my wife wouldn't, you'd think I spent all of my paycheck on anime, booze, and cheap women the way she talks sometimes!) But that would still be 0.32%, which is pretty close to the 0.2%. I don't think it would be all that outrageous to say there are twice as many casual fans as hobbyists. I think I saw at some point that something like 300,000 people watched an average episode of Naruto? That'd be about 1%, wouldn't it? Factor in some portion of the other 0.32%, we're still less than 1.5% of the population.

Anybody feel special and unique yet?

Useless math is another one of my hobbies.... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:03 pm Reply with quote
indrik wrote:
Anybody feel special and unique yet?

Yeah, I kind of figured the ballpark percentage would be slim. But it doesn't actually hit you so much until you see the numbers broken down like that. The anime fandom, while I hear seems to be growing in America, is a much smaller than I expected (5-7% out of the 300 mil. was my guess).

It also seems that the survey posted by Siegel Clyne hints that the ratio of anime fans may be a lot less in Japan.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:50 pm Reply with quote
indrik wrote:
If you take the $300M, and divide it by $20 (figuring between online and B&M, an average anime dvd costs about $20) you get 15M units. I believe in that same article it said there were about 600 different anime releases- so that would mean that the average anime title sold about 25,000 copies. Going back to the US population estimate of 300M, (hey- that's a dollar per capita on anime dvds in a year! I digress.) that would be 0.08% of the population. Keeping in mind that those are huge assumptions and seriously hand-waving arguments, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people who buy dvds were actually in the neighborhood of three or four times that amount- I'd be stunned if I bought 150 anime dvds last year. (But my wife wouldn't, you'd think I spent all of my paycheck on anime, booze, and cheap women the way she talks sometimes!) But that would still be 0.32%, which is pretty close to the 0.2%. I don't think it would be all that outrageous to say there are twice as many casual fans as hobbyists. I think I saw at some point that something like 300,000 people watched an average episode of Naruto? That'd be about 1%, wouldn't it? Factor in some portion of the other 0.32%, we're still less than 1.5% of the population.


First off, I think you're figuring a bit on the low side with average anime DVD prices (hardly everyone's going to be buying them at the best price, and art boxes, boxed sets, and other more expensive releases are going to balance out the cheaper ones). Also, when they're talking about releases, they're talking about individual volumes, not "titles." And third, 300,000 is .1% of 300 million, not 1%.

But let's suppose for a moment that you're at least generally on-track and we have around 13.5 million units. Supposed further that the average hard-core purchasing fan is picking up 50 units a year (which I honestly feel may be a low number, since I've personally been around or over 100 each of the past three years). 100,000 people purchasing at that rate gets you 5 mil units, 500,000 people purchasing an average of 10 units each gets you another 5 mil, and 1.2 mil purchasing just 2-3 units each on average gets you the rest. That still totals to only about .6% of the population. Include the fans that never buy anything and you're close to that 1% - and, honestly, believing that there are 3 million people in the U.S. actually at least occasionally watching anime seems a little optimistic to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:45 pm Reply with quote
Key wrote:

First off, I think you're figuring a bit on the low side with average anime DVD prices (hardly everyone's going to be buying them at the best price, and art boxes, boxed sets, and other more expensive releases are going to balance out the cheaper ones).


I just picked $20 to make the math easy. It's in the ballpark. Area code. Right side of the planet. And then I messed up the math anyway...

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Also, when they're talking about releases, they're talking about individual volumes, not "titles." And third, 300,000 is .1% of 300 million, not 1%.


Excellent points. I agree completely. Actually, I knew that about the volumes, just... well, you know. It's Friday, my brain turns off at 3:30 so that "the man" doesn't get a bigger piece of me than he deserves.

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But let's suppose for a moment that you're at least generally on-track and we have around 13.5 million units. Supposed further that the average hard-core purchasing fan is picking up 50 units a year (which I honestly feel may be a low number, since I've personally been around or over 100 each of the past three years). 100,000 people purchasing at that rate gets you 5 mil units, 500,000 people purchasing an average of 10 units each gets you another 5 mil, and 1.2 mil purchasing just 2-3 units each on average gets you the rest. That still totals to only about .6% of the population. Include the fans that never buy anything and you're close to that 1% - and, honestly, believing that there are 3 million people in the U.S. actually at least occasionally watching anime seems a little optimistic to me.


Well, I just looked (because I keep a handy spreadsheet to fend off my wife when she starts complaining about my anime habit... also keep track of the Longaberger baskets) and yeah.... I'm closer to 100 dvds per year too. Frankly that surprised me. I'm convinced too (although I don't remember why at this time of night) that the majority of anime releases (meaning individual discs) sell less than 10,000 units, which means that this method is going to skew larger than the real population is likely to be. I'm pretty sure there's a way to calculate this out, since we've got a reasonable maximum someplace (I recall a couple of "best sellers of the year" in the 100,000 unit range) and an arithmetic mean, we should be able to get a distribution out of that.

But I think for the estimation in this methodology, and the error introduced by my inability to divide 10^5 by 10^8, multiply by 10^2 and come up with 10^-1, it'd be pretty safe to estimate that between 0.5% and 1% of the US population fits into a broad definition of "anime fan". And, now, to the Primanti's for sandwiches and root beer.
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