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INTEREST: Chinese Brands Cut Ties With bilibili Over Accusations of Site's 'Tolerance' for Misogynis

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Uhh except the main character in his previous life was sexually assaulted in school.

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There's little indication that life wasn't the best in his past life except for him literally looking at child pornography during the funeral of his parents, that pornography being his niece in the bathroom that he hid cameras in. Hence his brother's disgust and him being kicked out. Can't imagine why that didn't get shown in the show.

So this is what I usually see as ammo used to criticize the series (rightfully so, mind you), but my concern is that it comes from a deleted redundancy chapter (sidestory/spinoff) AFTER the original 24 volume WN was finished. I don't think anyone liked or supported that chapter since it was deleted in the end. Especially since spoiler[it dealt with themes of incest involving one of his kids with his sister alongside the whole niece thing]. No idea why Rifujin na Magonote decided to write this since it didn't add anything of value and only made Rudy's past self look even worse.

That said, is it valid to criticize an aspect of the series that we don't even know applies to the show, since it adapts the LN, not the WN? (yes episode 2 definitely implies he's watching kiddie stuff, but it doesn't prove the niece issue | I think any decent human being would have beat his brother in rage after catching him red-handed watching kiddie stuff instead of going to their parent's funeral|) Hell, most LN only readers and those that only read the original 24 volumes of the WN probably have no idea where this piece of criticism is coming from. We literally won't know if the niece problem is confirmed or not until the LN finishes.

That said, I agree with everything you said. Rudy is a pretty gross individual that has some serious problems and people have the right to criticize the series for it.

ExaggeratedReality wrote:

Quote: ............ Uhh except the main character in his previous life was sexually assaulted in school.

......Hey Sexual Assault in school victim here.

Yay I got that point from episode 2 alone. Now I am TRYING to be fair here. because there are things that absolutely do come from that you can say that rudy started doing because of that experience. Becoming a NEET shut in, yes absolutely.

Being socially maladjusted, extremely likely from the start and would only get worse after.
Become far less or far more sexually active/ obsessed. That can happen to some degrees and some cases, especially if one is already on an extreme. HOWEVER (deep breath)

I am just going to say this as calmly as I can. pushing someone towards child porn and pedophilia is not something that would happen as a result of that instance. Also it is really insulting to survivors to have that be used as an excuse for a fictional character to engage with that stuff because of that reason.

This isn't a story about WHY he is a pedophile, at best it is a story about him becoming an actually ok human being. there is no real reason for the pedophlic and other extreme WTF sexual material besides the author wanted it there. you could have easily aged up roxy or made it snuff porn and it doesn't change the story at all basically.

At the end of the day rudy died a 30+ shut in neet who would never be offered a job because he was a horrendous person, and never saw a need to change that in the real world. He never went to therapy, never tried to deal with the trash in his life, and everyone just let him run away from it and his life instead of actually helping him. That is not all his fault, but you know what it most certainly mostly is.

Therapy and other ways to help someone get better only work if the person is willing to try and get better. Rudy only gets better because he is made OP by RNG in magic and people are interested in that in him, and he actually wanted to get better. and at the end of the day apparently no body actually cares enough to tell him no that is not ok you shouldn't act like that. why because they he becomes convenient to them and it would be inconvenient to deal with him refusing to be actual decent person, and develop an actually deep relationship with him or they just want to enable his bad behavior.

ranran-001 wrote:

ExaggeratedReality wrote: Quote: ............ Uhh except the main character in his previous life was sexually assaulted in school. Being socially maladjusted, extremely likely from the start and would only get worse after. ..... At the end of the day rudy died a 30+ shut in neet who would never be offered a job because he was a horrendous person, and never saw a need to change that in the real world. He never went to therapy, never tried to deal with the trash in his life, and everyone just let him run away from it and his life instead of actually helping him. That is not all his fault, but you know what it most certainly mostly is. Therapy and other ways to help someone get better only work if the person is willing to try and get better. Rudy only gets better because he is made OP by RNG in magic and people are interested in that in him, and he actually wanted to get better. and at the end of the day apparently no body actually cares enough to tell him no that is not ok you shouldn't act like that. why because they he becomes convenient to them and it would be inconvenient to deal with him refusing to be actual decent person, and develop an actually deep relationship with him or they just want to enable his bad behavior.

I never implied all that stuff. I only pointed out that Rudy in his previous life was sexually assaulted. Its also hinted at in the show that his brothers were involved in some of that as well. Is it too hard of a stretch to suggest that he simply stopped developing as a person after that incident?

Yeah, but at the same time, can it be also good in seeing if Rudy does progress as well? Because sometimes, standards can be quite different between authors in how they define growth

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Yeah, but at the same time, can it be also good in seeing if Rudy does progress as well? Because sometimes, standards can be quite different between authors in how they define growth

My apologies if I'm totally misunderstanding, but are you trying to suggest that this helped distinguish Rudy's growth from the beginning to the end? If so, I disagree. Rudy already set the bar pretty damn low for a lot of people, lots of criticism already. Setting an already low bar to even lower one doesn't help when it makes people denounce the show and has others never give it a chance.

All that said, I do like the series a lot and I don't hate Rudeus. Seeing him grow from a gross selfish piece of trash who couldn't think about anyone other than himself into a person who spoiler[treasures his family and friends & does everything in his power to protect and cherish them] was honestly nice to experience (despite his occasional awful thoughts). I think the series accomplished Rudy's growth quite well already and that redundancy chapter did way more harm than good (literally nothing good in my opinion) and it seems to be the main source of flak whenever I see someone criticize the show. (I'm not suggesting the show doesn't haven't other aspects you can criticize it about, because it does, a lot of them. But it's very very common to see someone mention the niece bit alongside the other criticism they mention.)

If I totally missed what you were trying to say then my bad.

Meh. It's not a rule that every piece of fiction needs good and noble main characters. Sometimes consuming a story about a protagonist who's a piece of sh*t is pretty interesting. I mean men like Rudy and Paul exist.

It's not, but a text doesn't just present characters, it also takes a stance or attitude to their actions. Things like showing how another character reacts to the actions of the character you're looking at, or which consequences of their actions are represented.

A lot of people -- a lot of people with language problems, frankly -- think that the content of a statement is the only meaning it has, but this just isn't true. THAT you make a statement conveys information not within the words you've uttered; that you're silent on other things likewise. A text gives us knowledge of meaning that isn't within the text, and part of that is the attitude of the creator to the verbal content of the text.

This is the basis behind "people are asking questions about my t-shirt saying X that the t-shirt has already answered": by reading the t-shirt people think of questions as to WHY that aren't answered by the shirt. If you understand how that works and creates tension that gives rise to humour, you can understand "why are you showing your first-person narrator creating child pornography and why don't you-the-writer think his decision to create child pornography represents a character flaw to overcome?" isn't a question answered by the real-world existence of child pornography makers, surely. To pick an example.

(Compare-and-contrast Lolita, where your viewpoint character is a child rapist but the surrounding text sets out to demonstrate that he's a delusional narcissist.)

Um. This is the same China that runs rape-tolerating concentration camps for ethnic minorities, right? The one that forces sterilization of minority women and calls it women's liberation? I don't know if there's any reason to engage with the stated complaints about anime misogyny as if they're sincere.

This isn't the ccp these are private advertisers pulling ads

ExaggeratedReality wrote:

Quote: You're not supposed to like his old self, but at least give him the chance to be an overall better person this time. And while I don't approve his past deeds, he never did something really bad as far as I know, also his past life really wasn't the best, explaining some of his scum my mess. There's little indication that life wasn't the best in his past life except for him literally looking at child pornography during the funeral of his parents, that pornography being his niece in the bathroom that he hid cameras in. Hence his brother's disgust and him being kicked out. Can't imagine why that didn't get shown in the show. Quote: Rudy the perverted child. Rudy isn't a perverted child, he's a perverted adult in a child's body who is actively looking at children with sexual interest and intent Quote: If you're seriously having problems with the first episodes, honestly, maybe some other hobby would be a better choice instead... You can have issues with a series, specifically ones dealing with sensitive topics of adults engaging and having a heavy interest in child pornography, and not need to go to "another hobby". This is the same character that in the story spoiler[collects the panties of Roxy to keep in a shrine in his basement in secret and after taking Syphys virginity rips the blanket with her blood on it to also keep in said shrine to worship]. The character has some serious issues even later in the series and there's nothing wrong with people engaging in discourse about it.

Yeah this is pretty much why I won't watch the show. I have no problem with unlikable or asshole leads but........ its just too much. There is a fine line between just being a prick and being such aspoiler[ sexually maladjusted pervert that you masturbate to images of your niece.]

Plus from what I hear he doesn't actually spoiler[improve on being a sex pest. Like sure he becomes a more powerful and successful person, but his gross perversions remain which is the deal breaker for me.]

This isn't the ccp these are private advertisers pulling ads
For the first and last time something happening in China doesn't always equal the ccp. Seriously mods can the Sinophobia get tuned down.

I wonder if anything that happens in China doesn't involve the CCP in a way or another...