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Aresef
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Whether it's a guest or a staffer or a regular old fan, I'm glad that these people are getting exposed. This behavior has no place at an anime convention, no matter who the bad actors are.
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whiskeyii
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While I can see how the AniRevo president got caught on the back foot (if Kleiman has a letter from his therapist stating he's not a danger in public, does that make you discriminatory for denying him access?), I feel like Ngo made the wrong call here. Kleiman clearly has a pattern of bad behavior, and I don't know that I would trust a girlfriend with keeping him in line. Not to mention how hectic cons can get, I don't even think asking security to keep tabs on him is really all that viable. For the safety of the other con-goers, Kleiman shouldn't have been allowed in, especially since this had already technically been addressed with his previous ban.
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Ralph Snackshi
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Well, this was a sickening read. Props to those on the ANN Interest Team, I do NOT envy your positions. I don't know if they'll ever see this but my heart goes out to those who were victimized by these slimeballs. I hope there'll be a resolution to all this, preferably sooner rather than later.
Also I'm not a mental health expert by any stretch, but fudge anyone who uses Asperger's as a scapegoat for assault/harassment. |
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Kougeru
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Okay. As someone with aspergers, I find this EXTREMELY insulting. The following line made it more clear (that was his excuse for being argumentative - that's actually valid) but autism doesn't make us harass people, and it doesn't make us pedophiles. I ^#$%#@% hate when people use autism as an excuse for them being awful people. |
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nightmaregenie
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NO medical/genetic condition should be used to excuse harmful behaviour/criminal offence against other people, period. Especially if the condition has already been diagnosed. The onus is on the adult individual and their family to seek the appropriate help to assist them in coping with everyday situations and people. People who downplay a person's negative behaviour because "they've been suffering from X" makes me sick, particularly in this case where there was a clear history of alarming behaviour.
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Top Gun
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Unfortunately conventions are almost perfect environments for pieces of shit like this to ply their trade. You have a lot of unaccompanied minors present, many of whom are probably not the most socially-confident people yet, and hey here's an adult showering them with positive attention. It was certainly You-Know-Who's MO.
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Crispy45
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There's many psychologists and legal experts that say otherwise. People on the spectrum are more likely to cross paths with the law than those who aren't, both as victims and as perpetrators. And plenty of courts have shown leniency on people on the autism spectrum when it comes to certain crimes because the accused might not have known what was acceptable or not. People with stunted emotional and social growth not understanding social cues can end up in trouble when it comes to issues like inappropriate behavior and consent. Nobody is saying "all autistic people are rapists" or "he's autistic so it's okay for him to break the law" but comments like "not all X!" aren't very helpful either. That being said, this guy is a very extreme case. It's not some guy awkwardly not knowing 'no means no' and getting a sexual harassment or assault charge for it. This guy is clearly deranged and has had a history of assaults and convictions especially if those letters are anything to go by. Clearly a psychopath. |
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HyugaHinata
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Lock him up. He shouldn't be allowed into any anime conventions. Or any convention, for that matter.
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Dessa
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I agree. I don't know how their convention is structured, but I know that at Sakura-Con, the con chair can't just go and override a ban. It's something that the entire board would have to look at, before the convention. If someone with a ban showed up at the con, it would be a "Sorry, you were informed you are not allowed here. If you'd like to seek a reversal of your ban, here are the steps, but nothing can be done until after the event." |
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SailorTralfamadore
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Citation needed, please.
Autism isn't considered "stunted emotional and social growth" by any psychiatrist, it's a different way the brain is wired. (One that makes autistic people better at some things than neurotypical people, in fact!) One of the key symptoms is a difficulty with reading non-verbal cues -- for example, noticing that someone is bored with what you're saying by them looking around the room instead of at you, or someone is threatened by you by making their body language smaller and looking for an escape route -- but many autistic people can still learn how to pick up on those things, just at a much slower rate than most people. And the key word there is non-verbal. This guy's victims had repeatedly told him verbally and directly in various ways to stop. Any autistic person could tell you that they understand those, loud and clear -- which is why typical interaction with an autistic person who doesn't understand non-verbal cues means that they apologize profusely once their behavior is made aware to them verbally. This guy may be autistic, but the reason he's treating these women this way isn't because of his autism, it's because he is an entitled creep. Heck, reading it you can even see where he was raised that way, with how his mom threatens to sue anyone who doesn't want to spend time around her son. Part of the reason that consent programs emphasize "enthusiastic verbal consent" is to make it as unambiguous to as many people as possible. Enthusiastic verbal consent is something that autistic people have no more difficulty comprehending than anyone else. Please don't repeat harmful stereotypes and urban myths about an already marginalized and stigmatized group of people. If you don't know what you're talking about, there are plenty of people here who do, so you don't need to say anything about this topic. |
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Ggultra2764
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Same boat. When I read that detail, it made me rage inside considering I am also on the spectrum. I'll concede I had behavior problems growing up since I couldn't properly comprehend social behavior and have learned overtime what is and isn't appropriate in public social situations. But that doesn't justify all the harassment this sleazebag caused onto others. 
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curtisd88
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I hate it when people try to pull the "autism" card as a way to get out of punishment for sexual behavior. One of my best friends has autism and so does my younger brother. They CLEARLY know better than to do these things so what makes him any different? This is what happens when sexual predators like these are never taken seriously the first time, they get worse because the powers that be are too lenient.
Lock these people up like they should be. Obviously the proof and the numerous offenses is there. This is the only way they will ever change. |
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XerneasYveltal
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This is going to give away the potential impression that convention attendants diagnosed with autism and Asperger syndrome have similar behaviors as the suspect, thus giving them a bad image. |
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