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tygerchickchibi
Joined: 29 Sep 2006
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:01 pm
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octopodpie wrote: |
Thank you for proving my point.
Please seek counseling for your feelings of emotional betrayal from those you care about if it has brought you to the point where you openly revel in the potential pain and sufferings of others who have no bearing on you personally. None of your personal relationships or sense of self worth are going to improve by swinging your angry feelings of inadequacy around like a friggin' mace. |
Big OOF.
I really felt this one, octopodpie. I feel like you hit the nail on the head with a lot of people who have commented on the thread (or online in general) with such similar attitudes regarding this situation. It's really freaky.
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ranran-001
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:53 pm
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Lynx Raven Raide wrote: | This... I have a slight problem with this. When everything came out, he first issued an apology (which some felt was hollow, but that is opinion rather than fact) and said he would take time out and get counselling. The next moment, he for all intents and purposes lawyered himself back onto a con which contained one of his accusers, leading to their cancellation as well as a number of others who felt uncomfortable because of the situation. That, to me, shows no class.
You could also argue he hasn't distanced himself from the YouTube lawyer who has arguably riled up the wrong people to defend him, spread information about his case and situation, which could actually hurt rather than help him, and used that person's gofundme that they set up for defence, which could be seen as preying on his fans, rather than use his own money. Again, this shows me no class.
If he had just stepped back, taken the short-term blow of a couple less cons, and either muzzled or distanced himself completely from Rekieta and that money, and dealt with the issue quietly, stating something if he won, then yes, I would agree with you. However, with his current actions and inactions... I would have to disagree. |
You said it best.
People who have faced accusations have always been advised by their own lawyers to get out of any situation that spurned those accusations. In the case of Vic, he should have had at least taken a break from the convention circuits for a year.
It would have been good PR on his part if he used that free time to volunteer at some charity like a local chapter of SPCA, or soup kitchen, etc. Heck, why not just bag groceries at Trader Joe's, I heard other actors work there, nothing wrong in doing that.
Nope, not Vic, he immediately went back to attending anime conventions, and now with this lawsuit he doesn't come across as someone who has learned a valuable lesson. If he is trying to force his way back into doing acting or VA work, it is not going to end well for him. I honestly don't see why any entertainment related company or activity would want Vic's involvement now. Not for movies, tv shows, anime, video games, or youtube videos, or fan-films.
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El Hermano
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:21 pm
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BadNewsBlues wrote: | No I also don't know why they would. |
One of the accusations is extorting and blackmailing anime conventions to break a business contract. If they are found to have done that, it would be kinda weird to keep that person around at conventions or an anime dubbing studio wouldn't it? Maybe it's just me.
Quote: | I may be wrong but he's suing both the company and the voice actors meaning if he wins he gets compensation from Funi and the voice actors if he loses he gets nothing from no one and goes on with life. |
I assume since they were each individually served at different times, have their own separate filings, their own separate responses, their own separate lawyers and their own separate court hearings, that each allegation for each party would be handled individually aside from Monica and her fiance who filed for joint representation together. I could be wrong though.
ranran-001 wrote: | You know what they call testimony from a witness or a victim? Evidence. End of. |
Funimation deemed it enough to fire him, but it doesn't necessarily mean a judge or jury will feel the same in a defamation case. Both Geoffrey Rush and Jim Cummings last month won their cases because the women who accused them were deemed to have insufficient testimonies that were specifically cited as being "vague and inconsistent", and the accusers themselves we're judged to be "prone to exaggeration" and "hyperbole" which ended up making their testimonies unreliable to use as evidence. It all comes down to how a judge or jury sees it after each side presents their case.
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Noggy
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:03 pm
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El Hermano wrote: | Both Geoffrey Rush and Jim Cummings last month won their cases because the women who accused them were deemed to have insufficient testimonies that were specifically cited as being "vague and inconsistent", and the accusers themselves we're judged to be "prone to exaggeration" and "hyperbole" which ended up making their testimonies unreliable to use as evidence. It all comes down to how a judge or jury sees it after each side presents their case. |
Australia and the United States are very different when it comes to defamation. If Vic is declared to be a public figure, which I think is extremely likely, it wouldn't be enough for the jury to just disbelief the defendants. Vic would have to provide proof that they lied or had serious doubts about whether their claims are substantially true. If Vic can't come up with that proof, the defamation claim will be dismissed before the lawsuit reaches the trial stage.
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ranran-001
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:35 pm
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El Hermano wrote: |
Funimation deemed it enough to fire him, but it doesn't necessarily mean a judge or jury will feel the same in a defamation case. Both Geoffrey Rush and Jim Cummings last month won their cases because the women who accused them were deemed to have insufficient testimonies that were specifically cited as being "vague and inconsistent", and the accusers themselves we're judged to be "prone to exaggeration" and "hyperbole" which ended up making their testimonies unreliable to use as evidence. It all comes down to how a judge or jury sees it after each side presents their case. |
Jim Cummings's case has no resemblance to Vic. Zero.
Second, Geoffrey Rush was not suing a newspaper in America. The laws for defamation in countries like the U.K. and Australia are nothing like the ones in the U.S.
In the U.S. being a public figure like Vic, there would need to be a preponderance of evidence to show that Funimation engaged in actual malice. So far no one in here has demonstrated how Funimation could have done actual malice. None.
So what is actual malice?
In order for actual malice, Funimation would have to had issued statements that they knew were lies, knew that it would damage Vic's career, and that they had intent to damage his career.
If Vic cannot prove all three of those things, he's got nothing. So far I have not seen anything from anyone to suggest Funimation knew and acted with intent. Not one post has shown that.
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Redbeard 101
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:57 am
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Some completely made up conspiracy theory posts, and responses to them, are now gone.
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ZodiacBeast
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:50 am
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One thing that is not helping Vic's lawsuit is Nick Rekieta's behavior.
Then again, him, Vic and Beard were all pretty chummy at Anime Matsuri, so I guess he has faith in them?
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StarfighterPegasus
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:04 pm
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ZodiacBeast wrote: | One thing that is not helping Vic's lawsuit is Nick Rekieta's behavior.
Then again, him, Vic and Beard were all pretty chummy at Anime Matsuri, so I guess he has faith in them? |
True, Law has made many people believe that they are entitled to the evidence of the case when they aren't. Its gotten so out of hand that the whole In a thread I was in people were sharing leaked photos of documents that hadn't been made public yet. I didn't read them, but it showed just how much Vic supporters have invested in this case. Funimation has been very tight lipped about things and I am glad that they are.
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ZodiacBeast
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:50 pm
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StarfighterPegasus wrote: |
ZodiacBeast wrote: | One thing that is not helping Vic's lawsuit is Nick Rekieta's behavior.
Then again, him, Vic and Beard were all pretty chummy at Anime Matsuri, so I guess he has faith in them? |
True, Law has made many people believe that they are entitled to the evidence of the case when they aren't. Its gotten so out of hand that the whole In a thread I was in people were sharing leaked photos of documents that hadn't been made public yet. I didn't read them, but it showed just how much Vic supporters have invested in this case. Funimation has been very tight lipped about things and I am glad that they are. |
That "file sharing" is ONE of the things I could have listed. How do they not realize that posting and asking for information on Twitter, a public and widely-used public platform isn't the greatest of ideas? It's like saying "hey guys, here's my hand, go ahead, read it".
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ranran-001
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:52 pm
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ZodiacBeast wrote: | One thing that is not helping Vic's lawsuit is Nick Rekieta's behavior.
Then again, him, Vic and Beard were all pretty chummy at Anime Matsuri, so I guess he has faith in them? |
It isn't surprising Vic, Rekieta and Ty Beard were there, given that one of the co-organizers of Anime Matsuri has a history of sexual harassment.
There is a video posted up now of Rekieta and Ty hosting a "panel" at Anmie Matsuri. It has to be one of the most obnoxious, pointless panels I have ever witnessed. It was an exercise in public self-flagellation. I mean yeah Vic's panels are probably just as bad, but at least he could coast off his d-list celeb status. There is no list Rekieta can fit on, except maybe a 12 step program.
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StarfighterPegasus
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:00 pm
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That "file sharing" is ONE of the things I could have listed. How do they not realize that posting and asking for information on Twitter, a public and widely-used public platform isn't the greatest of ideas? It's like saying "hey guys, here's my hand, go ahead, read it".[/quote]Yeah it shows how much Law and Ty Beard care about Vic's privacy and the fact that Vic's supporters are just gobbling it up worries me. Law and Ty beard should take a page from Funimation's book and not speak too freely on the case, its only going to come back to bite them. Hold their cards more close to their chest like Funimation is doing
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Commander Cluck
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:59 pm
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CrowLia wrote: | Bet you don't have the same concerns about Rakettra and his excessive involvement in the case, even though Funi's response pmuch says that by airing so much of the case to the public, Mignogna shot himself in the foot |
Vic has been absolutely silent on Twitter outside convention announcements, and Rekieta has never given anyone legal advise which he's on record stating. It's nowhere near what the other guy is doing by whipping people into a frenzy to post, like, and retweet defamatory posts on the case and other things after being asked not to by their legal council.
Frog-kun wrote: | Keeping up with Twitter drama and forum drama is not a requirement for legal analysis of court documents. All the necessary context for the case should be in the documents submitted. Otherwise, by this logic, the judge and jury wouldn't have enough context to pass down judgement either. The onus is on the plaintiff to construct a compelling case. |
Not all documents have been submitted yet, however. All we have is the initial complaint and the responses. Discovery is where the bulk of that stuff would be submitted and asked about.
ZodiacBeast wrote: | Then again, him, Vic and Beard were all pretty chummy at Anime Matsuri, so I guess he has faith in them? |
He has every reason to be grateful and appreciative of him, the dude literally saved his life and career. Considering how openly these people express their hatred for Rekieta and blame him for Vic fighting back with a lawsuit and reversing the damage to his reputation and getting him invited to over a dozen conventions it's no surprise to see them bro it up when they finally meet face to face. It's like finally meeting your guardian angel.
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Lynx Raven Raide
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:54 pm
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ranran-001 wrote: |
El Hermano wrote: |
Funimation deemed it enough to fire him, but it doesn't necessarily mean a judge or jury will feel the same in a defamation case. Both Geoffrey Rush and Jim Cummings last month won their cases because the women who accused them were deemed to have insufficient testimonies that were specifically cited as being "vague and inconsistent", and the accusers themselves we're judged to be "prone to exaggeration" and "hyperbole" which ended up making their testimonies unreliable to use as evidence. It all comes down to how a judge or jury sees it after each side presents their case. |
Second, Geoffrey Rush was not suing a newspaper in America. The laws for defamation in countries like the U.K. and Australia are nothing like the ones in the U.S.
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I'll further elaborate here, because Rush's case is way different from this one. To begin with, there was only one accuser in Rush's case, the complaint made to the Sydney Theatre Company found nothing, and instead of going the legal route either through lawyer or the police (if it was indeed illegal, there is no statute of limitations for sexual assault here in NSW) she went to a newspaper, on which has a national reach. When it came to the defamation case, the ones she claimed as witnesses didn't corroborate her story, and no others came forward with different stories of similar incidents with Rush, so hence why he won the defamation.
On the other hand, in the case of Vic, there have been multiple accounts brought forward, though not criminally due to statutes of limitation, three internal investigations by two companies, Funi in 2017 and early this year along with Rooster Teeth's, and he isn't going after ANN or i09 for their articles but the accusers themselves and one of the companies that dismissed him.
So yeah, using Rush's case as an example is erroneous at best
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jr240483
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:11 am
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karyuudo0127 wrote: | Innocent until proven guilty. |
NOT IN THE ME TOO ERA
now for every guy whether your a VA or not, your pretty much GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT once it became public!!!
its cruel , but it is what it is and its ashamed and both he and scott freeman didn't learned that lesson or understood that certain actions have consequences!
ESPECIALLY THE LATTER VA!!!
not to mention that their roles are privileges, not rights! unfortunately their are still some VAs specifically those from the LA unions that don't get it yet and if they don't get their acts together, they too will unfortunately suffer the same fatal end of their VA careers like those two cause the only way that those two can ever truly get involved in the VA business at this point is to get roles from FAKKU/KITTY MEDIA!!! especially the latter one!
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ranran-001
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:09 pm
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jr240483 wrote: |
karyuudo0127 wrote: | Innocent until proven guilty. |
NOT IN THE ME TOO ERA
now for every guy whether your a VA or not, your pretty much GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT once it became public!!!
its cruel , but it is what it is and its ashamed and both he and scott freeman didn't learned that lesson or understood that certain actions have consequences!
ESPECIALLY THE LATTER VA!!! |
When the legal system fails, when the court system fails. When an adoring public willing to defend an abuser and attack a victim fails basic human decency. What recourse do victims have but to go public?
Enough is enough. Period. Vic is more than likely culpable of sexual harassment, and he has to admit that and stop it. The idea Vic has remained silent on the matter is a false one.
Since Jan. he is still attending conventions, while there denying and downplaying the worst of the accusations. And he is STILL recruiting his fans to attack others online. It's despicable.
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