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Asterisk-CGY
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Could there also be the component of the people complaining about the complaints about fanservice really complain about the complaining?
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CatSword
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One of the most prevalent examples of this is Toonami. They've played ultra-violent anime such as Black Lagoon, Deadman Wonderland, and Hellsing Ultimate completely uncensored for violence, but blurring nudity and bleeping F-bombs.
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gravediggernalk
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To answer the question of why people (people in the USA, anyway) are more upset by nudity than violence: the United States had a war (Vietnam) televised LIVE every evening, where people could watch their friends and family die right there on their screen. No matter the year, people go out en masse to the theater to see violent movies (lots of mediocre slasher films, generic action movies, etc.) and buy tons of violent video games (GTA, CoD, etc.), but people with power try their best to keep anything sexual from making it to the mainstream (when's the last time your local theater showed an NC-17 movie, or you saw an Ao-Rated video game on a store shelf?). Weird cultural norms of what's "too much" for art and entertainment perpetuated by censor boards based on pseudo-religious values.
Having something kept from you also makes you want and/or notice it more, which leads to some people ONLY noticing and remembering nudity/sexually-intense scenes in media, which can be a major detraction point for those people that view those things negatively, even if the actually scenes in question were barely a significant part of the overall piece. tl;dr Vicious cycle: American afraid of titty -> American don't see titty -> American enthralled by one titty -> Titty overwhelm American -> American angry about it, so it must be evil/degenerate -> American afraid of titty tl;drtl;dr People are afraid/angry about things they don't understand, and the west has done a good job about not teaching people about anatomy, especially the female anatomy. Last edited by gravediggernalk on Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:37 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Joshua Zarate
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Overall, I just find it weird that some people are less, shall we say, sensitive to onscreen displays of killing of their fellow man and more so of their own biology. Double standards and all that jazz relating to this topic can be annoying to see happen and I wonder how long will it take for it to go away or if it will ever go away.
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yurihellsing
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Easy answer to this is the anglosphere and to a greater extend the abrahamosphear are deeply sexphobic. You may also note that countries that could and are accused of debauchery tend to have lower crime rates.
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MarshalBanana
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Early this year I was watching a review of Devilman Crybaby, and a comment thread was about how happy someone was that it didn't have any unnecessary fanservice and how great it was that there was so much violence, and the comments generally agreed with them. Until someone posted something along the lines of
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Araragifeels
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And then we have shows like Game of Thrones which American give a pass to even though it have a lot nudity, r*pe, sex scene. Double standard is strong.
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Lactobacillus yogurti
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Florete
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I'm American, and yeah, our standards in this area are ridiculous. When I was young I recall my mom straight up saying she didn't mind letting me see movies with lots of death and violence, but if there's a swear word in there it's a no-go. I didn't think much of it at the time, but now I'm just, what!?
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Slashman
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Game of Thrones the tv show had even more sex and nudity in it than was portrayed in the novels. Pretty much all the brothel scenes (and there are a lot of them) in the tv show are made up. They even made up an entire prostitute character for the show. However, they omitted several violent sex and rape scenes which would have at least been useful in showing how women and young girls were treated during war in times like that in our own world. In other words they indulged the sexy and looked away from the brutal sex/rape that would have had more impact on the story and context. In any case, though, I personally just find it hypocritical to see anime fans decrying fanservice in shows where that is the point but giving it an OK in select shows. Whether the story is awesome or not in a fanservice show, the point of the show is fanservice. Does it truly matter how realistic the portrayal of human relationships are in such a show if that's what you're in it for? tl:dr There are some laughably bad fanservice shows when it comes to characters and story and there are some more than decent ones (High Scholl DxD, Sister New Devil). Why blame the fanservice? |
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jutsuri
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I blame the Puritans. I think they really set the tone for prudishness in America. There must be places in the world where people are more horrified by violence and gore than nipples, right?
When I was in high school a friend of mine went on a trip to Europe and came home with stories about the crazy sexual stuff she saw on tv. And when I say “crazy sexual stuff” I mean human anatomy. It was not unlike that comic with the character screaming “Oh my god it’s a penis!” Seeing a penis on tv was a truly shocking experience for her. I’ve never had the chance to visit Europe or watch tv there, and things may have changed since I was in high school, but I wonder if attitudes are at all different. I know anime and manga have been pretty popular in France for a while, are French anime fans less prone to pearl clutching at the sight of a boob? I would assume so, but you know what they say about assuming... |
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xchampion
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When I was growing I couldn't watch R rated movies and even some PG-13 movies. If it hasld violence/gore, language, or nudity it was a no go. While I remember most of my classmates going as far back as kindergarten talking how they watched the latest horror/slasher, over-Hyper violent, sexualized R rated movies. I was actually jealous but as an grown up now it boggles my mind how many parents let their kids watch whatever they want. Now we are talking about Americans being prudish. I still believe that it is the minority, but it's just very vocal. In my opinion language, violence, nudity it's all the same and kids of a certain age should be kept from it as long as possible. Isn't that the argument the op is making? That people treat violence different from nudity when it should be treated the same? It's definitely a thought to ponder.
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7jaws7
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This reminded me of how the state of Florida recently ruled that semi-automatic weapons should stay legal, but also ruled that pornography is unhealthy. So yeah, by and large America has its priorities backwards.
As far as content in anime goes, violent shows tend to carry better stories (Attack on Titan, Tokyo Ghoul, Psycho-Pass...the list goes on) than fanservice ones. Regardless of how I feel about either of them, violence and nudity don’t matter to me - it’s whether I can engage and connect with the story and characters. |
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#861208
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ahahahahaha the amount of BL I'd grown accustomed to at that age. Only outdone by the amount of BL most of my friends had grown accustomed to.
Depends on how you define "sole" - I think the average action series draws a lot less meaningful character/story development out of its fight scenes than the average erotic-themed story does from its sex. I'm also... kind of nervous about this with my own work. I want it to be a pansexual fanservice fest, but I'm nervous about being accused of all sorts of indecency with the female characters, even though I'd be fanservicing with the male characters just as much - more, even, really. |
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Scalfin
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I'd say the biggest factor is America's Northern European heritage, which makes us highly legalistic and biased toward rules that can be easily operationalized. Basically, it's a lot easier to define nudity than violence so we clamp down on the former.
Another factor is that it's quite a bit harder to depict history and major events without violence than without nudity. Nations rise and fall on wars, not butt stuff. The mention of Vietnam War coverage in this thread is a good example, and everything from the Torah to the Epic of Gilgamesh to The Odyssey to Beowulf to El Cid show how long it's been more important it is to explicate violence than sexuality when telling important stories. Probably the only epic in which sex needed detailed description is Sundiata, which was somewhat weird. And then there's the fact that sex-heavy shows tend to be crap and the sex-heavy scenes of normal shows tend to be pointless at best. Overall, sex becomes more noticeable because it's only very rarely not pornographic in some way rather than incidental or artistic. Also, let's not forget how ridiculous examples of regulating violence end up being. Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles in which nun-chucks are replaced by a never-used grappling hook springs to mind. |
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