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LeArsenalProf
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If they would produce the next seasons for Haruhi or Hyouka I would happily tattoo Netlfix on my forehead
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yuna49
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This looks to me like just another step to expand Netflix's viewership in Japan. When they launched in 2015, Netflix said they intended to carry about 40 percent local content. Producing anime is probably a relatively low-cost method to pursue this strategy compared to live-action programming.
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ultimatemegax
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Already confirmed that Netflix works don't pay the animators anymore than the other method, so I seriously doubt that they will be "beating down the door trying to get work from Netflix." Given that they announce licenses as "Netflix-produced series that we personally created!!!1111" this type of article is meaningless. Most, if not all, of these productions would've been made without Netflix involvement. To me, this reeks of "our numbers say this is what's popular, so we're going to invest in it" rather than a love of anime itself. They hardly market it, granted that doesn't mean much when 76% of their audience isn't aware that a highly marketed show is available on the service anyways. I can't see them investing in this without returns in Japan, which is what they're targeting here since their numbers say 50% of subscribers there watch anime (of 1% of the population, so it's unlikely that reflects the general Japanese viewer). They actually have a globally lower amount of anime viewers than Crunchyroll's free viewership (~7 million compared to 20 million), so the only reason Netflix is bigger is due to non-anime related reasons and the ability to go billions of dollars in debt and investors bail them out unlike Crunchyroll or most other companies bar Amazon. It doesn't seem like this will last that long in my opinion. |
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gravediggernalk
Space Cowboy
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TasteyCookie
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Except you miss the most important distinction between Google and Netflix. Google has always been profitable, or at least almost always. Netflix has never been profitable. Nearly every economic expert I've seen thinks that eventually Netflix and Amazon will have to come to terms with their massive debt, it's just an unknown for when they actually have to start playing by the rules that every other capitalist company follows. And when eventually Netflix has to start turning a profit and lowering costs, you know what will get the ax first? You guessed it, expensive, low return shows. OH HEY LOOK THAT'S ANIME! So we better hope you are entirely wrong on your prediction and Netflix remains a small factor in the overall anime pot. I'll repeat what I've said numerous times, it's great if Netflix create their own anime! It's great if they fund projects from the beginning! However it would be absolutely devastating and nigh irreversible if Netflix puts thousands of companies who already work on anime (inside and outside of Japan) out of business. Netflix cannot replace the 15.9 billion dollar (in 2016) industry by itself, and by strong arming companies out of business (which is what you are suggesting) we could see the the biggest crash anime has ever experienced. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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Apple operated at either barely profitable or at a loss for nearly 20 years, before exploding in profitability with the iphone. Netflix, although they do have significant debt, are profitable (not sure where you got your facts about them never being profitable??) and the company's growth has accelerated in recent years. Revenue has more than tripled since 2010. They are now about as old as Apple was when Apple took off, and how was Apple able to do that? Significant investment in new and exciting products. Netflix investing now heavily in original content is similarly a smart move, as it will allow them to maintain much more of their revenue.
You can predict the failure of Netflix if you want. A lot of people said Google's investment in YouTube was a fool's errand too, and now YouTube is one of the most powerful media giants on the planet. I doubt any of you are still logging into the internet via AOL dialup though. |
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NJ_
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They also released Stranger Things on Blu-ray today and unlike Orange is the New Black & Fuller House, this is a Netflix direct release and also a Target in-store exclusive. Will they do a wide retail release later? Nobody knows...
According to Madman, who said this on two separate occasions, it's because of the Rebuild movies. Japan is waiting for the movies to be done and over with before they starts licensing out original Eva again...and since there's STILL no 4.0..... |
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Aquasakura
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Personally I think Netflix should just give this venture a rest At least for a while. I've heard they are currently in major debt thanks to all the projects they have been funding, and this goal they have set for themselves has me more concern for them then excited. They need to slow down and just take care of their debt before trying nay new projects.
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mangamuscle
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I highly doubt Netflix is going to own any of the said 30 new anime series. What Netflix is really interested is in having exclusive rights to anything they stream. The writing has been on the wall for some time, every year for several years revenue for cable TV has been going down thanks to cable cutters, Disney has been severely hard beat. Obviously Hollywood wants to make up for the lose by increasing streaming licensing prices to netflix by several net millions. Netflix thinks that money is better spent in something they can control and turn the tables on hollywood. That is why Disney will debut next year their streaming service in hope of recapturing their userbase and slowly but surely start again to increase prices with double (or triple) paywalls and other price hikes (five dollars my *ss).
Remember that many animes are manga or light novel adaptions or even franchises, so to really own them they would have to pay a lot more than the cost of producing a one cour anime. Besides, Netflix has shown no interest in making writing films by themselves, they bought Millarworld for that and until they announce they are making a collaboration of their IP animated in japan, you can bet they will be producing (and owning) only live action films. |
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relyat08
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But from what I've heard, they do allow for better production schedules. Which is a step in the right direction and a reason many companies/animators may want to work with them. I understand that many people, yourself included, really hate that they won't simulcast stuff, but from everything that I've been told/heard/read/seen, being on Netflix is a generally positive thing for shows. And the companies involved seem to typically like working with them. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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Yea and many new live action western shows are adapted from books or manuscripts written by aspiring unknowns. Very little of Western media is purely created from in house talent, so I don't see much difference between Netflix sourcing their content from light novels vs manuscripts or books produced by Western writers. It all depends on the following of the content creator. And nothing in the article indicates that they are just planning to license a bunch of stuff exclusively. It is common knowledge that Netflix's current business plan is content ownership, so there is no reason to believe that anime is excluded from that.
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mangamuscle
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That makes a world of difference. In the west hollywood studios pay as little as possible to content creators, even cooking the books. If the original writer is not famous or is employed by some branch of the company (i.e. marvel comics) you can bet he will get only a salary for his work even if you created the charater. Japanese mangaka and light novel writers are their own bosses, they own their IP and if they hear netflix (or any hollywood studio for that matter) wants to make an adaption and on top of it, wants to buy the intellectual property, you can bet they are not selling their life's work for peanuts since their daily income is not related at all to hollywood or other american company. |
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Parse Error
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It remains to be seen whether this is going to be original content they funded, or just more licensed shows that they falsely brand as their own originals. The former would be very bad news because it would just fuel a bubble that would inevitably pop after a few years. They would want things like action, space operas, cyberpunk, and so on which can pull in a bigger audience for a while, but the vast majority of those people are novelty seekers with narrow interests, a combination that dramatically reduces their lifespan as receptive consumers. Somehow I just can't see them producing Loli Yuri Harem IN SPACE five years from now, so they'd need to withdraw when the winds start to shift. |
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yuna49
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That $15.9 billion dollar figure counts all sorts of things not directly relevant to anime production like merchandise. You're probably talking about this report from the Association of Japanese Animators: http://aja.gr.jp/?wpdmdl=1005 (PDF). The relevant figures come from the graph entitled "Trends in Japanese animation market in a limited sense." That total comes to about $2 billion. |
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ChibiKangaroo
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Yep, and Netflix's current annual revenue? Approximately $7 billion. Netflix is already bigger than the Japanese anime industry by itself, if you are straight up comparing audio/visual releases. Whether Netflix will get into merchandising and other ancilliaries is to be seen, but I would imagine they would be all too happy to do so given how Disney is making a metric ton of cash off merchandising in the West. |
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