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Ethe
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:05 am
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Honestly, not looking forward to it. These movies have been so disappointing.
Part 5 is what I'd call the pinnacle of messy writing.
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Actar
Joined: 21 Nov 2010
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:41 am
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Finally, this will be over... Finally.
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Lycosyncer
Joined: 13 Aug 2009
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:14 am
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Finally, this clusterf**k of a disappointing film series can finally reach its end and for a long time Digimon fan, this is pretty much the Power Rangers: Megaforce of the Digimon franchise for me because man, Toei has become really lazy and doesn't care about putting any actual effort into this series, haven't they? Once again, no one is ever going to let this season's horrible treatment of the 02 cast alone nor be forgotten as this season will never live it down.
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Engineering Nerd
Joined: 24 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:51 am
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This movie, or should I say tri in general, features some of the most clustered, clumsy and utterly incompetent writing in recent animated films/ova, seriously, there is no exaggeration in that statement since tri basically ruined all the previous established characterizations, and add some uncomfortable "modern twists", and spit to people's nostalgia as it forgets it was tri's biggest selling point all along.
Truly a disappointing performance.
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Actar
Joined: 21 Nov 2010
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:33 am
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Other than nostalgia-baiting, is there any point to this series? Take out all the warm fuzzies from seeing something we like from our past, are there any other redeeming qualities?
Sigh... I hate to be the "I told you so" guy (no I don't), but I could tell something was up way back in Part 2 when they couldn't even get the evolutions and emotional pacing right. It signified that they had absolutely ZERO idea what made the original so well-loved in the first place.
I mean, don't get me wrong, you can definitely like something for the nostalgia alone, but why settle for such a cheap, half-hearted attempt? As it is, tri. has been nothing but a soulless husk of its former self. They emulated the identity, but not the Brave Heart.
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DmonHiro
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:37 am
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I was so looking forward to these movies but they have been a total disappointment. One reason is that TOEI is very cheap and the budget is very low. The other reason is the terrible writing. I have no idea what they were going for but half the run time of each movie has been worthless filler.
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Kadmos1
Joined: 08 May 2014
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:51 am
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I don't really care how this film ends, provided the ending does a retcon of Digimon Adventure 02's finale where Tai and Sora do get shipped.
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encrypted12345
Joined: 25 Jan 2012
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:06 am
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Kadmos1 wrote: | I don't really care how this film ends, provided the ending does a retcon of Digimon Adventure 02's finale where Tai and Sora do get shipped. |
Nah, they gave Tai a new waifu instead.
1st movie was meh, 2nd and 3rd had their moments, 4th was honestly meh again, and 5th was a slow paced meh until that trainwreck of an ending.
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Juno016
Joined: 09 Jan 2012
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:42 am
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I like these films. I personally can't say they were necessarily the best-written (let alone the best-animated), but they aren't the "spit on the fans" I keep seeing people claim them to be in my eyes. I do like crazy plot twists, so part 2's ending twist was great and I think this new one is just as great, even if the writing justifying the twist is a bit awkward. I'm also happy they brought back the Dark Ocean plot thread.
I definitely get why people are disappointed. These feel more like new characters with a slight resemblance to the characters we grew to love, which was what people really, really wanted from this. At the same time, though, I can't say I wasn't invested. At this point, if they are able to tie up the empty threads with the series thus far by the last film, I'll be satisfied. My only wish after that is for them to do more films for Zero Two and... lest I say it, Tamers. The Zero Two kids definitely could use more than just a "Hey, we're still alive and going to show up last minute" reveal in the last few episodes, and I would gladly accept a Tamers sequel if they got Konaka back on the team, as hopeful as that is (I mean, he's writing the new drama CD, so that could spill into the future, right?).
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Mew Berry
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:24 pm
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Huh, I've still only seen the first two Tri movies, so it's a shame to hear they've been disappointing. I'll probably still watch the rest of them eventually, though, ironically not because of nostalgia but because I like Meiko and want to see where her story goes.
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Actar
Joined: 21 Nov 2010
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:42 pm
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Juno016 wrote: | My only wish after that is for them to do more films for Zero Two and... lest I say it, Tamers. |
Why though? I really don't understand the desire to see more of a story that was already beautifully concluded. Am I the only one of the opinion that some shows are better left untouched because they function as a great self-contained piece that works brilliantly as a product of its time, cemented in a certain part of our collective memories? By adding to it, by bringing it into the present, you're essentially solidifying the future of the series in canon and you are essentially risking changing people's perception of the previous work (by virtue of simply being linked together). Because many, if not all of the plot threads were tied up, anything extra will most likely feel contrived at best and exploitative at worst. Not to mention, because they are all made for the sake of an anniversary of some kind (as opposed to the writers actually wanting to continue the story) they feel so cheap, hollow, forced and unnecessary.
Sorry for the rant. To each his own and I am a huge proponent of the lack of objectivity in anime. If you enjoy a show simply because your favorite characters are appearing on-screen, please don't let me rain on your parade. I'm being uncharacteristically an ass. From my biased and subjective perspective, it just pains me to see all the characters I grew up with being made a mockery of as they get paraded around by producers to make a quick buck. Of course, I'm not naive enough to believe that the original productions weren't all money-making machines either. But if you ask me, they had heart.
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bleachj0j
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:54 pm
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Actar wrote: | Other than nostalgia-baiting, is there any point to this series? Take out all the warm fuzzies from seeing something we like from our past, are there any other redeeming qualities?
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Um... we saw the ultimate evolution for everyone? Saw Jesmon animated (poorly)? Besides that, it hasn't really added anything to the Adventure universe that was needed. So yeah, three years of nothing.
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ninjamitsuki
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:12 pm
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As much as I want to see the Tamers kids older and see how Jeri's doing, I would only be on board if Konaka was on board.
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Juno016
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:04 pm
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Actar wrote: | Why though? I really don't understand the desire to see more of a story that was already beautifully concluded. Am I the only one of the opinion that some shows are better left untouched because they function as a great self-contained piece that works brilliantly as a product of its time, cemented in a certain part of our collective memories? By adding to it, by bringing it into the present, you're essentially solidifying the future of the series in canon and you are essentially risking changing people's perception of the previous work (by virtue of simply being linked together). Because many, if not all of the plot threads were tied up, anything extra will most likely feel contrived at best and exploitative at worst. Not to mention, because they are all made for the sake of an anniversary of some kind (as opposed to the writers actually wanting to continue the story) they feel so cheap, hollow, forced and unnecessary.
Sorry for the rant. To each his own and I am a huge proponent of the lack of objectivity in anime. If you enjoy a show simply because your favorite characters are appearing on-screen, please don't let me rain on your parade. I'm being uncharacteristically an ass. From my biased and subjective perspective, it just pains me to see all the characters I grew up with being made a mockery of as they get paraded around by producers to make a quick buck. Of course, I'm not naive enough to believe that the original productions weren't all money-making machines either. But if you ask me, they had heart. |
I think Tamers, of all Digimon seasons I've seen, has the most open-ended conclusion. It's certainly a conclusion, and the epilogue hinted that the open-ended-ness was not permanent, but then they released the Original Story drama CD, which basically back-pedaled the hopeful epilogue (by having the adults interfere with the newly-found portal and close it out until it disappeared on its own). So as far as we're aware, the Tamers have not been able to meet their partners again, and they're going to spend most of their lives awaiting the day when Jian and his father can find a safe, controlled way to travel back and forth. So in terms of conclusion, Tamers is still missing a definitive ending. I'm not going to be sad if they don't make a sequel because the open-ended-ness is actually an emotional strength for the season's conclusion, but I'd welcome a sequel with open arms if they decided to try and do one.
At the very least, I feel like Tamers is a completely different beast to tackle, so I honestly hope they could treat it with more respect than they did with Adventure, but I'd probably feel the same way as Adventure Tri made me feel if it was interesting, even if it was also messy.
I can most definitely agree with you, though, on treading cautiously in that direction. Adventure Tri isn't totally awful for a follow up season (in my eyes), but could've been sooooo much better. I'm not going to blindly accept any Tamers sequel if they just poop one out without thinking hard about what it should mean. I just think there's a lot of potential for one, so I'm hoping they can learn from the blunders of Tri and maybe approach it differently. And like I said, assuming it's possible, they can almost guarantee some sort of success if they bring Konaka back to write it. I've yet to be disappointed in anything he's written. And I really hope I'm able to find a way to listen to his new drama CD for Tamers when it releases with the new collection.
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ParaChomp
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:52 pm
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Digimon has never been the smartest franchise, Tri has had many tonal inconsistencies and lore is required to understand what's going on at times. Otherwise, I'm sad it's ending yet can't wait for it.
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