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AksaraKishou



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:27 am Reply with quote
nechronius wrote:
Thaumana wrote:
The OP criticism is the only visible solution for that mess I could see now.


That's the point I'm at now. Vastly improving the powers of well known established characters somehow wouldn't be accepted despite the fact that it's well worn trope that characters will "level up" significantly over the course of a story.

Yet a somewhat obscure character from a fan site has every OP power that every wanna-be artist came up with to add to her is suddenly very real despite the fact that it took so long for people in the industry to even recognize who she was to begin with.

Overall the series is still entertaining enough but the times when actions/words seem to be inconsistent with how scenarios should be played out is a bit frustrating. We'll just have to see how things eventually resolve.


I think that it's precisely because she's not THAT known that they so readily accepted Altair's power.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:15 pm Reply with quote
IMO, the (in-anime) audience supports Altair not as the hero, but as the cool, charismatic villain of the story. These Reddit posts sums it up as follows:

…You don’t get to destroy the last boss with a cheap trick, you have to work, sacrifice and at the last moment the hero overcomes all odds to win.
The audience accepts…Altair (as the) impossibly strong villain (of the Festival’s story) and they want to see how it all plays out. The deaths, the failed plans, they all play in to that story and at the end someone (or everyone) has to harness that to gain acceptance for their last-second happy ending.
The audience won’t choose as a hero someone who is unassailable, that makes for a dull story. “


“…as frustrating as it is to see our favorite Creations fall before her, is is precisely because (the viewers) accepted her as this godlike villain that (the good guys) need the resolving force or party to be something just as grand, and not just any cheap plot device or power.”
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:33 pm Reply with quote
Sirius was very anime since she was a clone designed with the sole purpose of destroying the original. It made sense that Altair was angry about it. It was also nice that when Yuya mentioned that Sirius was a doll that Meteora got defensive about it saying that it was the only way to defeat Altair.

Setsuna showing up in the next episode could be interesting even if there are no surprises to it. The obvious method of Setsuna talking down Altair could make sense as long as she makes a compelling argument.

AksaraKishou wrote:
I think that it's precisely because she's not THAT known that they so readily accepted Altair's power.
If it worked that way than Meteora and the others could have created several new creations whose greatest desire was to protect the world and than given them a huge bag worth of powers. If you don't need that many people to know about the creations than that should have been possible. Still for story reasons it makes sense that they needed Altair to be the most powerful of the creations.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:07 pm Reply with quote
Am I the only one that is not that enthused about Re:Creators right now

From a commentary standpoint, it comments on the nature of creation in interesting ways but that commentary gets in the way of a satisfying story as I feel that Sirius and the Setsuna thing are Deus Ex Machnias that undermine any investment I would have in the story. If the creators in story and by extension, the creators of the anime itself, are able to pull off stuff turns like making the Setsuna simulation work and Sirius without notice or, in the case of Sirius, foreshadowing, how am i to be invested in this story

As for the idea of random powerups and the like for characters, the fact of the matter is that while random powerups can be acceptable, they may not be the best in terms of literary development. That's the issue i'm having with Re:Creators, lack of engagment due to the use of poor literary devices
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:53 am Reply with quote
Izanagi009 wrote:
From a commentary standpoint, it comments on the nature of creation in interesting ways but that commentary gets in the way of a satisfying story as I feel that Sirius and the Setsuna thing are Deus Ex Machnias that undermine any investment I would have in the story. If the creators in story and by extension, the creators of the anime itself, are able to pull off stuff turns like making the Setsuna simulation work and Sirius without notice or, in the case of Sirius, foreshadowing, how am i to be invested in this story

Oh, I disagree that that there wasn't any foreshadowing in Setsuna's case; someone earlier in this thread did guess that was coming, after all, and it's a logical move. Likewise, something like Sirius was a logical move. These aren't ass-pull plays by any means.

Now, if they still don't get you invested despite that then there's probably nothing I can do to convince you.

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As for the idea of random powerups and the like for characters, the fact of the matter is that while random powerups can be acceptable, they may not be the best in terms of literary development. That's the issue i'm having with Re:Creators, lack of engagment due to the use of poor literary devices

No, the Creators definitely acknowledge their questionable nature as a literary device, and even Altair points that out herself in this episode. Hence I'd say that the series creators were pointing that out rather than relying on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:57 am Reply with quote
Key wrote:
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As for the idea of random powerups and the like for characters, the fact of the matter is that while random powerups can be acceptable, they may not be the best in terms of literary development. That's the issue i'm having with Re:Creators, lack of engagment due to the use of poor literary devices

No, the Creators definitely acknowledge their questionable nature as a literary device, and even Altair points that out herself in this episode. Hence I'd say that the series creators were pointing that out rather than relying on it.


To go a little further on this, if the series creators were actually relying on the random powerups, then our heroes would have achieved victory through the use of said powerups. Which, as we can see, is nowhere near the case as Altair pretty much shrugs every attack off like nothing aside from attacks from a copy of herself.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:57 pm Reply with quote
Was this the last episode, or is there one more? Only thing left to do really is an epilogue.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:49 pm Reply with quote
Reading all these reviews, I can't comprehend how people are finding this anime anything above average. Nothing was really surprising or awesome. Nothing was meaningful or educational. I don't want to assume Aniplex is sponsoring reviews but I just can't understand how you're acting like this is the best anime of the year.
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DeTroyes



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:04 pm Reply with quote
Kougeru wrote:
Reading all these reviews, I can't comprehend how people are finding this anime anything above average. Nothing was really surprising or awesome. Nothing was meaningful or educational. I don't want to assume Aniplex is sponsoring reviews but I just can't understand how you're acting like this is the best anime of the year.


Because we've really, really enjoyed it more than most of the other titles released this year?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:47 am Reply with quote
Kougeru wrote:
Reading all these reviews, I can't comprehend how people are finding this anime anything above average. Nothing was really surprising or awesome. Nothing was meaningful or educational. I don't want to assume Aniplex is sponsoring reviews but I just can't understand how you're acting like this is the best anime of the year.


"Other people's views aren't the same as mine so they must be getting paid to disagree." Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:49 am Reply with quote
v1cious wrote:
Was this the last episode, or is there one more? Only thing left to do really is an epilogue.


One more, they're 22.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:50 am Reply with quote
Izanagi009 wrote:
Am I the only one that is not that enthused about Re:Creators right now


Basically in the end the whole show was about a powerful character with no backstory or personality, who appears one day out of nowhere, has all the powers in the world, can defeat anybody, is super smug and condescending, and in the end gets exactly the happy end it wanted and nobody else's actions even mattered in the long time.
How is that any different from any number of bad fanfictions that you can find in every corner of the internet? And the fact it is self-aware doesn't make it any better.

And don't tell me that the show explored in detail the creative process, because the Creator character are exactly as shallow and one-dimensional as the fictional characters, and the only thing I got out of them was "creators of pornographic material are all pervy creeps, so it's fine to belittle and humiliate them".
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:09 pm Reply with quote
Well, i for one agree with the review and i'd been pretty sceptical that this "plot twist" would actually work. But it turned out to be a pretty satisfying episode for me, both on an emotional and a narrative level.

Looking forward to the final where we'll hopefully find out about everyone's fate.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:24 pm Reply with quote
So she was transported to a railway station that was covered in white light, and met a dead person... The only thing missing was the deformed scaly baby under a bench.
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MarshalBanana



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:30 pm Reply with quote
Kougeru wrote:
Reading all these reviews, I can't comprehend how people are finding this anime anything above average. Nothing was really surprising or awesome. Nothing was meaningful or educational. I don't want to assume Aniplex is sponsoring reviews but I just can't understand how you're acting like this is the best anime of the year.
While I personally do not consider it the best Anime of the year so far, I can understand why some would.The premise is very interesting, and while it has been done many times before, this is one of the few times it has been done in Anime. The fictional characters are all interesting, and seeing there shallow thought process and morals, in a real world setting where things are not black and white, is clever.
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