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explosionforgov
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When the GiTS movie came out, a lot of people were saying, "Well, everything except the original movie already sucked, so it's no big loss." Which sort of made me sad, because my only exposure to the series thus far was Stand-Alone Complex, which I watched dubbed on Toonami (and loved). I assume if I want to get more into the franchise, I should watch the original film, and I've been warned to skip Arise, though I don't know why exactly people hate it. All I know about the series is that it's CGI-- is it because people just hate CGI anime, or is the CGI itself particularly bad?
(Although to be honest, if the dub for Arise still has Richard Epcar and Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, I still might check it out anyways. I was quite fond of the dub cast.) |
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NormanS
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Its too bad Hollywood picked the wrong sci-fi cyberpunk police by Masamune Shirow to do a live adaptation when there is a different series that'd fit Hollywood's sensibilities which would be "Appleseed". The issue of whitewashing wouldn't even be a thing since Deunan is of mixed descent and ScarJo wouldn't even need to wear a wig! And it certainly has less baggage to live up to, as well as a good franchise to focus on the action and setting set-pieces.
Anyways, personally i think the only good "adaptation" would be Edge of Tomorrow. Its a loose adaptation but still good on its own. |
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Zin5ki
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Alternatively, Hollywood could dispense with the tradition of taking its sci-fi pieces seriously and give people what they really want: an adaptation of Dominion Tank Police, complete with cat-ears and highly suggestive anti-tank inflatables. |
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12skippy21
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The issue I had with the movie is that it was boring. I was the only one in my showing (impressive given it had only been out for one week), and I spent most of the movie on my phone. As Mike said, there is little feeling in the movie, the same can be said of the original but the original had a great atmosphere which dragged you in (while SAC was great for enhancing the universe). Hollywood simply seemed to try to copy everything. I still think they should have aimed for an original story where Kusanagi had to travel to America (hence don an American body), maybe investigate election fraud undertaken by another country to bring in a puppet government
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menschmaschine
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I thought the Cream Lemon live action adaption was pretty good. Borrowed some elements from the Ami series while being it's own thing with a lot of original content. It seems like the director for that went on to do more notable stuff but I haven't seen any of it.
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Hiroki not Takuya
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Great review article! GitS aside (I liked the Major's new backstory including Kuze) I got a laugh at the picture form CHS. Really?? I'll have to look that one up, not knowing the manga...Also, some people actually liked the third DN movie, my daughter liked the ideas so much her e-mail account is still named based on it (and she's 22 now)!
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Gina Szanboti
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I assume the first time the image from Cromartie was used was in error?
McGlynn is in it, but plays a different character. The Major and Batou are Elizabeth Maxwell and Chris Sabat, with mostly a typical Funimation cast. I enjoyed it, and would recommend seeing it, but once was enough. Tatsuya Fujiwara might not have set the house on fire as Light, but he sure burned it down as Shishio in the Rurouni Kenshin movies. And without showing much of his face while doing it. Great trilogy! |
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The live action Tiger Mask movie had such a stupid premise. Talk about ruining the essence of the series.
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ExplorerOfDubs
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Great article, Mike Toole! This is a very nice list (I still need to see Speed Racer ). I've actually been thinking about a topic like this lately. It seems the western world (or the USA at least) has this clear fascination with trying to replicate animation into the real world.
I'd also like to mention how Universal is able to do a Voltron film since its divorced from Beast Go Lion. Makes me wonder if there are people in France who desperately want a live-action Grendizer film. BTW, This critic I feel gives a good take on an Akira remake: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/moviesandtv/columns/moviebob/9204-Advice-From-a-Fanboy-Akira P.S. For those who are curious, here are the other live-action remakes currently in development that Mike didn't get the chance to mention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alita:_Battle_Angel animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-02-22/warner-develops-live-action-film-of-tite-kubo-bleach-manga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubblegum_Crisis#Live-action_movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Future#Feature_film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_(manga)#Live-action_film animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-05/ernesto-foronda-working-on-film-adaptation-of-dororo-manga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaiking#Hollywood_remake http://deadline.com/2011/10/after-getting-close-on-several-big-jobs-director-bryan-barbers-taking-his-next-meetings-with-gigantor-in-his-corner-185262/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_Wolf_and_Cub#Hollywood_remake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mardock_Scramble#Live-action_film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naruto#Films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja_Scroll#Live-action_adaptation animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-05-18/saint-seiya-manga-gets-live-action-hollywood-film/.116261 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_%26_Bunny#Live-action_film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexille#Live_action_film Last edited by ExplorerOfDubs on Sun May 28, 2017 1:47 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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WingKing
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I think it's telling of how difficult it is to translate anime across mediums to live action that even the Japanese have a lot of trouble getting it right. The Kenshin films are among the few that I've been able to even just sit through from start to finish, never mind actually enjoying them (which I actually did, a lot).
I did find Ghost in the Shell entertaining, at least, but I also agree that it was oddly unengaging emotionally. I think part of the problem for me was that it did crib so heavily from the previous versions. So whenever a key scene came up, instead of being able to get caught up in it, I'm sitting there thinking, "Oh, they took that from the first film," or, "Okay, that's referencing that SAC episode," and it broke my immersion every time that happened. It's hard for me to really get into a movie when I'm being jerked back into my seat every few minutes. |
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GATSU
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Well, let's just say I think they're happy with what they got out of it. One man's disappointment is another's long-term investment.
How a movie was perceived has never stopped a lot of films from being successful. Alien: Covenant has a fairly similar RT score to Prometheus, and a cheaper budget than GITS. And it's still underperforming. Those Transformers movies, OTOH...
Hey, it worked for I Dream of Jeannie.
Yeah, why can't it have totally new and original scenes like that live-action Beauty and the Beast? Oh, wait.
If you don't think it made a difference, check out the total haul for that live-action Blood: The Last Vampire movie from '09.
Someone hasn't sat through Passengers.
Well, in anime's defense how many non-Batman and non-Superman Western comic movies were hits out of the park right away? Dick Tracy, The Crow, and The Mask? And they're all cashing in on Burton's Batman, to some extent.
Yeah, one of the Sentai guys told me he liked those, too.
I think it was actually co-produced by FOX overseas.
Back in '04, Mark D. told me we were supposed to get a N. American release of it. But I guess that went out the window, along with a U.S. DVD release of the DC of his Drive with Kadeem Hardison. Oh, and yeah, I have to totally agree with you on Cromartie. Way better than it should be for a live-action cash-in off an intentionally dumb comedy. Surprisingly, the AX crowd for the screening of that one back in '05 was packed. I guess if you want the Japanese answer to The Young Ones, you might wanna check it out, too.
For me, it was like Spidey 3, a campy and enjoyable guilty pleasure. Also, as I said before, Speed Racer would be a better movie if it actually had speed and racing, and not just endless talking.
It's just a shame a live-action Star Blazers already happened with Interstellar. Oh, and I disagree with the assessment of the live-action Casshern. That was awesome, especially when you watch it next to, say, Sky Captain.
Because that name sells better overseas? Anyway, you should at least be glad Rodriguez stopped being a dick like Cameron, by squatting on the manga, and we can finally get it in print again.
Well, for one, more flops like King Arthur, so that scummy suits stop paying shills to sabotage the rep of movies like GITS, just because they hate competition. It's a shame the DC/Time Warner people couldn't handle the idea of it being out of the gate before Wonder Woman, and had to play dirty like that, but waddya gonna do? Norman:
Well, that's not going to happen any time soon after Divergent, so... Zin5:
And that's not going to happen any time soon after Tank Girl. Last edited by GATSU on Sun May 28, 2017 3:12 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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CrownKlown
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Maybe a lot of people didn't see it but Jackie Chan's campy version of City Hunter is actually really really funny, and he actually does a really good job playing Ryo whose kind of a ham actually. Still probably my favorite Jackie Chan movie and favorite LA adaptation.
Also agree Edge of Tomorrow should be on the list. |
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I was never a fan of the Ghost In the Shell Live Action Adaptation I just love the original Manga and Anime films too much to even be objective about it. That being said I didn't want it to completely fail either. As far as good Live Action adaptations I thought the Live Action Honey And Clover was good despite some odd rewrites the casting over all felt good.
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GATSU
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Klown: Edge of Tomorrow is based on a novel, not an anime or manga.
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Kikaioh
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I enjoyed the Ghost in the Shell live-action adaptation, and mostly disagree with Mike's impressions. While the original 95' film had thought-provoking questions, it was a little too pretentious in its storytelling and presentation for me to identify with it. The live-action adaptation is a bit more of a generic story in comparison, but I liked that it grounded and humanized the Major's character, and made her relationship with Batou seem more of a tangible, two-way street. And regarding the White-washing, as an Asian-American myself I had no issue with it, and felt it was an overblown nontroversy.
I second the notion of Jackie Chan's City Hunter adaptation being a lot of fun, albeit the pacing is a bit frenetic and weird at times. |
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