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NEWS: Live-Action Ghost in the Shell Film Unveils 1st Full 2-Minute Trailer


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Heishi



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:16 pm Reply with quote
PurpleWarrior13 wrote:
They captured the dark cyberpunk atmosphere pretty well from the looks of it. For me, it should be worth watching for that alone. From the Q&A Scarlett recently did, it sounds like the film is still at least trying to explore some of the themes from the original film. Regardless if the film is any good or not, it does sound like they're TRYING to make the best Hollywood representation of the manga/anime as possible. I think it may at least turn out like Speed Racer, where the Wachowskis were huge fans of the anime and the film looked great, even if the story was weak. With Dragonball Evolution, nobody behind-the-scenes really seemed to care about the project at all.



Save for a few actors like Justin Chatwin who was a fan of the show, apparently.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:49 pm Reply with quote
Looks like a typical Hollywood treatment: dumb it down low enough so that even a typical movie goer could understand the plot and the fact that Motoko is a cyborg without thinking. Besides they are being unfaithful with the whole point of GitS.

They speak in the trailer as if she suffered an accident and "died" and then was reconstructed into a cyborg (a la robocop) and so got "superpowers". It looks like a lesbian cyborg version of a typical teenager's superhero movie rather than GitS.

While the tone of the mangas and of the movies and of the series varied in each iteration here we just see the world and characters of GitS being used as raw material for a typical Hollywood teenager superhero action movie.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:58 pm Reply with quote
PurpleWarrior13 wrote:
They captured the dark cyberpunk atmosphere pretty well from the looks of it. For me, it should be worth watching for that alone. From the Q&A Scarlett recently did, it sounds like the film is still at least trying to explore some of the themes from the original film. Regardless if the film is any good or not, it does sound like they're TRYING to make the best Hollywood representation of the manga/anime as possible. I think it may at least turn out like Speed Racer, where the Wachowskis were huge fans of the anime and the film looked great, even if the story was weak. With Dragonball Evolution, nobody behind-the-scenes really seemed to care about the project at all.


I will always play movie defense force for Speed Racer. Don't know why people really have a problem with it. Even the story being weak is right in line with the original show. It really wasn't all that compelling.

But they made a very energetic, and visually exciting racing film that is literally like a cartoon come to life. And people should let cartoons be cartoons even if they're live action. Plus, John Goodman was in it, and that man is living art.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:06 pm Reply with quote
Jose Cruz wrote:
It looks like a lesbian cyborg version of a typical teenager's superhero movie


Right, it looks like Ghost in the Shell. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:20 pm Reply with quote
I loved the tone of the teasers, but I didn't like this trailer, or what I saw in it anyway.

Makes sense that they'd emphasize action, though the action they showed looks pretty uninspired.

GITS in both anime film and TV show traditionally mixed realistic police force tactics with the occasional flair for something stylish every now and then but you always felt grounded in the action and that thanks to the camera (storyboard-framing) work, even with the major wall running and leaping across buildings, shots were quick and emphasis was given to the weight of a cyborg. Slow motion was sparingly used. The Major isn't a show-off, she takes care of business efficiently. The only time she does play around is the infamous disappearing act in free fall where she rolls her hand over her eyes like a magician doing a disappearing act, and the occasional one-liner preceding it. But that's memorable precisely because she's usually the opposite, deadly serious and down-to-business-minded or waxing philosophical. So the moment she says something sarcastic and does her 'gotcha' disappearing act is actually showing her rare human side.

Don't like the looks of the city here either. Seems more Neo-Tokyo from Akira than GITS. Even the original manga was more reserved in depictions of the real world. The real world is either looking grungy and downtrodden or like a cold and efficient bureaucratic structure. This emphasizes the technological-machine-like aspect that the real world has become which is one of utility and even abandonment, and acts as a direct contrast to the colourful playful online world that Motoko enters on the net.

The Kiss-scene is probably just a presentation of the Major messing about and hacking someone by entering them and exploring their mind, shown here as an act of intimacy but in fact is an act of violation, though probably in this scene maybe the person is being consensual or docile to allow the Major into infiltrate them.

With regards to the manga's presentation of the Major in lesbian sexual activity, there's nothing in there deeper than what are basically pornographic depictions just to highlight the idea that in this world there are drugs that can produce sensations in an online activity. I chalk that up to Masamune Shirow being the perv that now makes up much of his artistic output being adult erotica. The anime films and TV show basically omitted that with only fleeting reference to the Major having female friends whose activities together are left up to your imagination. It was never of consequence. Neither do I think the film will explore that either, though its inclusion in the trailer is essentially the American marketing machine selling you sex and violence.

I'm still interested, but I'm now dialling the hype meter low.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:25 pm Reply with quote
Jose Cruz wrote:
Looks like a typical Hollywood treatment: dumb it down low enough so that even a typical movie goer could understand the plot and the fact that Motoko is a cyborg without thinking. Besides they are being unfaithful with the whole point of GitS.

They speak in the trailer as if she suffered an accident and "died" and then was reconstructed into a cyborg (a la robocop) and so got "superpowers". It looks like a lesbian cyborg version of a typical teenager's superhero movie rather than GitS.

While the tone of the mangas and of the movies and of the series varied in each iteration here we just see the world and characters of GitS being used as raw material for a typical Hollywood teenager superhero action movie.


You do realize that that is Kusanagi's basic origin, right? And if it turns out to be something similar to a regular blockbuster, wouldn't that be a change in tone - aka something that's apparently good in your opinion?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:06 am Reply with quote
I honestly think this movie feels like a "Greatest Hits" version of the original material, taking iconic scenes and wrapping them in a thin plot.

Look at this just released scene for proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5amv-vqUFo
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:29 am Reply with quote
Damn that trailer was awesome and it definitely laid to rest any doubts that I had about this movie. Also that song "Enjoy the Silence" was a nice touch though I would be a lot happier if it wasn't a cover version. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:54 am Reply with quote
penguintruth wrote:
Jose Cruz wrote:
It looks like a lesbian cyborg version of a typical teenager's superhero movie


Right, it looks like Ghost in the Shell. Wink

If you seriously think that's the theme of Ghost in the Shell I urge you to pick up a copy of the manga from Dark Horse to read thoroughly.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:15 am Reply with quote
Alright people time to stop with the rude insults and responding to troll posts. A bunch of posts have been removed or edited. It's fine to argue opinions but slinging personal insults is not. Thank you.
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H. Guderian



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:10 am Reply with quote
It's trying. I may actually see it in theaters.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:22 am Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
But the use of a flat, dirgy rock song suggests that those expecting something of distinction may stay clear of the box office.


Um, excuse me sir, but Enjoy the Silence by Depeche Mode is by no means a "flat and dirgy" rock song. It's a bonafide classic of early industrial rock.

Also thinking that lesbian scene is out of nowhere doesn't justify people accusing someone of homophobia. Because in all honesty, the scene comes out of pretty much freaking nowhere. Other than that, this movie is looking pretty promising so far, especially with the practical effects. Cautious optimism from me moving forward.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:51 pm Reply with quote
Woomy wrote:
Even from those very small teasers, the tone was still just right to make me think that it was still looking like a Ghost in the Shell movie, and this trailer has kept those feelings consistent.

Like, seriously, I don't think even the more hardcore fans can truly think this trailer is a bad first impression.

Of course people are still gonna toss around the whitewashing term loosely, even though I don't think this was an example of whitewashing, but just an unfortunate example of the reality of the film industry. The people who are angry, are angry at the wrong people and don't know how movies work.

A big production studio isn't going to cast a relatively unknown Asian actress on a project like this. ScarJo is literally the most profitable female actress on the planet at the moment, so the film makers having to settle on that because the studio willing to bank on her starpower, is probably one of the reasons this movie is even happening in the first place.

GITS is not a brand that outsells the people attached to it. In fact, the only brand that I can think of that DOES outsell anyone starring in it, is Star Wars. And they cast a white girl as their new lead so.

If anything, my concern was ScarJo's sometimes questionable acting ability. If you told me I couldn't cast an Asian and had to settle on casting a big name actress who'd still be fitting, I'd have personally picked Charlize Theron for the Major.

But, she doesn't look too bad so far. And hey, maybe her sometimes robotic acting is quite fitting for a robot when you think about it, right?


Yup, I think this is looking surprisingly promising. They seem to actually be trying to do it right which is a great start. Also, given that they felt enough to have Kawai do a new version of the theme live at this event it would be great if, even though he obviously won't be the main composer, they let him do just a couple of main tracks for appropriate parts like this in the final film.

Kikaioh wrote:
The production values in this trailer are much better than I expected. While it might stray from the tone of the original a bit, it does look like they're trying to capture the spirit of it, and are giving it a much better treatment than most could hope for. I'll definitely be watching this in theaters when it releases.


Yeah, pleasant surprise. Also, while the eye pieces may be a tad small for Batou, they're not bad either and I think in the footage with him and the Major getting out of the car in the shootout he looked more or less quite Batou.

And Scarlett looks totally fitting as Motoko visually so hopefully she can nail the part we're obviously not seeing yet in the story and big scenes.

Good to see the Major's traditional drop off the building thing too Smile Though I hope in the real scene she activates the optical camo to complete it since I think it cut to another scene while she was still falling.

Nicwithnok wrote:
only having watched the first 2 films, I can still appreciate the fact that the creators of this film really tried making this film look and feel like it takes place in the ghost in the shell universe. Recreating scene's straight from the Original film and also adding visual cues that pay homage to original world in which it took place in, ascetic wise this looks to be a great treat for fans ( I can't wait to see it in IMAX 3D). I just hope they have a story which can match it's visuals, that's what really worry's me. But other than that I really look forward to watching this when it's release, i'm cautiously optimistic!

( I really hope they have some throw backs to Kenji Kawai ost from the original though *crosses fingers*)


Yeah, they're doing enough right that I definitely intend to give this a shot in the theater and will likely go IMAX for it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:03 am Reply with quote
I wasn't impressed. Doesn't look bad but it looks like an Underworld caliber, b grade action movie. Will still watch as I like GitS, Underworld, and b grade action movies in general.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:36 am Reply with quote
I understand that people don't want to see the movie too dumbed down with the Hollywood treatment. However, to be totally honest most halfway decent Hollywood films have writing quality that is light years ahead of anime. I love me some anime, but it's kind of rare that I see an anime that doesn't have glaring writing flaws, even the really good ones. So I don't know that the "Hollywood Treatment" wI'll actually be a bad thing here.

I think one of the big problems for anime in the US is that the writing tends to follow a very specific formula that hits all the sweet spots for Japanese guys but has a lot of misses for the general American. If it's not cute animals (i.e. pokemon/digimon), "battle games," or DBZ type simplistic superhero stuff, it probably hasn't sold well in the USA. The other extreme (with a lot of the super popular anime in japan) is obnoxious fan service, massively over sentimental stuff, mecha, preachy stuff, and niche Japanese humor (among others obviously). That stuff rarely catches a big break in the USA. So yea, there's a reason why a lot of Hollywood films are making a billion dollars now. Maybe some day anime can do that too, but not its current form.
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