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Dark_Saiyajin
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Bring back raging blast!
And have goku bring bardock back to life lol, or vegeta the saiyans |
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Wrangler
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I'm not excited that their resurrecting possibly retroconning a self-contained Dragonball universe separate from Dragon Ball Z and beyond.
Don't get me wrong. I love Akira Toriyama's original Dragon Ball manga. He had sense of humor you would not necessary find normally, was frankly less-no-bars humor as well sometimes getting into fight. Dragon Ball Z (and beyond) was all about the fighting and the drama, Dragon ball was adventure with humor mixed in. Goku stuck as a little boy forever doesn't necessary look appealing to me thou. I truly don't believe that team of writer/marketers(?) will be able to come up with seriously original and engaging content without burning out the fan base with over exposure. Akira Toriyama had unique sense of humor, it showed in his mangas he did. He still has his touch when he did the Spaceman series. I have doubts about this special department's ability to come up with hat trip to recapture the magic touch Akira Toriyama had with his run on Dragon Ball. |
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GVman
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I don't know where you're getting the notion that they're trying to do any retcons. When they say "Dragon Ball," they're referring to the franchise as a whole. You do know that the whole Manga (including the part animated as "Dragon Ball Z") was called Dragon Ball, right?
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ZeppelinT3S
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I'm jus Saiyan,
Dragon Ball Super is very bad, despite being written by Toriyama Dragon Ball Multiverse is very good, despite NOT being written by Toriyama |
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BadNewsBlues
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DragonBall has been in the public consciousness for some 30 years if people haven't gotten burned on the series now I don't think they're going to get burned out on it now.
DragonBall Super is seen as bad because people don't like the more lighthearted elements of the series along with the dodgy at times animation......Despite DragonBall having the former and Z having the latter. They're gripes are less legitimate and more just bitching for the sake of it.
All signs of multiverse's actual worth points to it being awful and incredibly chintzy. |
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ZeppelinT3S
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I'm sorry, what makes Super really terrible isn't JUST the animation, lackluster plot and pointless retcons/inconsistencies. The idea of Red, Blue and Pink Baby Doll Super Saiyans is something you'd expect to see in a (6 year old) fanfic. The idea of a Multiversal Tournament between 20 Parallel DBZ Universes is something you'd expect to see from the official source, but life is funny.
I'm sorry again, I really don't think you've read it and more than likely refuse to do so because it's not written by Toriyama. So we're definitely not on the same page, both figuratively and literally. You just have little to no knowledge of what you're talking about... This manga is a masterpiece! Much like Team Four Star's "Dragon Ball Z Abridged" A good story is a good story and a bad story is bad, regardless of its creators Give it a chance guys, for the love of Dragon Ball 
THIS IS THE SERIES YOU HAVE BEEN WISHING FOR!!! |
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penguintruth
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Wonky art aside, I rather enjoy Dragon Ball Super. It compellingly expands the DB universe, has plotlines with some actual interesting twists and turns that throw the viewer for a loop, and doesn't rely on Goku saving the day all the time. In fact, Goku hasn't managed to get a clean victory in any of the story arcs. He lost against Beerus, he kill-stole to beat Freeza, and he still hasn't managed to beat Black or Zamasu. Vegeta gets plenty of play, Bulma's become relevant again, Future Trunks is relevant again, Jaco is a delight, and some of the action is quite good.
It's exponentially better than GT, and probably better than most of the Buu arc of DB/Z was. |
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ZeppelinT3S
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And here's Dragon Ball Multiverse's 20 Parallel Universes
Universe 1 is of the Supreme Kai's Universe 2 Toriyama's World Universe 3 is my favorite with Bardock, Tapion, King Piccolo and Dr. Raichi Universe 4 is the highest evolved form of Buu, or Zen Buu Universe 5 is the mysterious main ancient antagonist, XXI Universe 6 is Bojack and his gang Universe 7 is a Fusion of all Namekians, Gast Carcolh Universe 8 is Frieza, King Cold and Cooler Universe 9 is Krillin, Tien, Yamcha and Videl Universe 10 is Saiyans with no technology and some other Namekians Universe 11 is Majin Buu and Dabura Universe 12 is Future Trunks and his mom is still alive, they've repaired #16 of their time and he helps rebuild their world. Things are Peaceful and there is no questionable and uncomfortable relationship with Mai and no resurrected dead body of Goku Because in Universe 13 we have the Evil Goku we all wanted, who never hit his head and killed everyone on Earth and later teams up with Raditz, Nappa and Emperor Vegeta to overthrow Frieza in their Universe Universe 14 is Cyborg #17 and #18 Universe 15 is I'K'L Universe 16 is a Universe where Vegetto never defused Universe 17 is Cell Universe 18 is the DBZ Universe we know, with Goku training Uub and Pan, everyone is 20 years older like in GT, except Gohans still a Badass, same for Vegeta and of course you get to see Adult Gotenks Universe 19 is the world Raditz needed Kakarotts help to conquer, with Badass nanotechnology Universe 20 is Broly... That's enough back story within those 20 Universes not even counting The Multiverse Tournament We had 64 competitors so the First Round was 32 matches so most fights seemed pointless and one sided. But if we remember Dragon Balls Tenkaichi Budokai, then you know how much better the Second Round would be with 16 matches Round Three has been 8 matches and we are on the last match before heading into Round Four This is the most incredible Tournament I have ever seen and the most incredible Story I highly recommend Jus Saiyan 
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BadNewsBlues
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And yet a fanfic that centers around a multiverse spanning tournament doesn't have a lackluster plot apparently. People tend to forget that DragonBall wasn't originally all about fighting planetary or universal threats.
The original manga, the anime, and their movies had these. This isn't something Super just introduced.
So is a series with bunch of DragonBall characters some of whom aren't even apart of the canon gathering to participate in a aimless tournament. But apparently you're okay with the latter.
Super does have a multiversal tournament that's supposed to happen likely after this current arc resolves itself but it likely won't be anywhere near ridiculous and stupid.....or feature art that's essentially been traced and passed off as new.
I've seen it so yes I know it's terrible I wouldn't say otherwise if I hadn't.
Which is funny because I don't even like the original DragonBall manga. Since Toriyama could get a bit lazy with his writing. Maybe you shouldn't go making implications based off of essentially nothing.
Ummmm we're not supposed to be that's how opinions work.
You have little to no realization that DBM is an awful fanfic series no one should think is good or should be adapted into an official anime or manga. And that no one has to agree with you're opinion of the quality of this "alleged" series.
Fanworks are generally never better than the official material so........
And as mentioned DBM is in the latter category not the former no matter how much you want to insist/pretend it is.
No.
No it isn't especially since most of the fanbase complains incessantly about it being milked. |
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ZeppelinT3S
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Omg I fuckin hate your logic So to you, The original had bad animation so it's okay that Super has bad animation The original had inconsistencies so it's okay that Super has inconsistencies The original Dragon Ball was shit so it's okay that Super is shit
Well yes, that's something I've always wanted as well as other fans. I want to see more of my favorite characters back in action again, like Cell, Bardock, Vegetto etc. A Multiversal Tournament is the perfect way to bring back everyone in a new and creative way and Multiverse does this perfectly I never wanted to see Red, Blue and Pink Baby Doll Super Saiyans....
This here proves you have not read it. None of the art is traced. That's AF. This is all new and quite well done. And yea I've been noticing Super now has a Multiversal Tournament and also an Evil Goku and the return of Future Trunks But DBM still does it perfectly
So can you please explain what is wrong with it???
Of course but the difference between us is that I have seen every episode of Super and Read every Chapter of Multiverse so my opinion is valid I know what I'm talking about You sir, do not :/
Except in this case, it's worth the read. I've explored the depth of both waters Please do the same DRAGON BALL MULTIVERSE IS THE SERIES WE HAVE BEEN WISHING FOR!!!! |
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BadNewsBlues
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You're not really using good logic yourself just look below.
It's not something that's simply my opinion Z did have bad animation at times you either don't know of this or you're being willfully ignorant like most of the babies complaining about Super on Youtube and any other place.
Almost all animated series especially those from Japan have them so singling out Super for it especially when it's not the only DragonBall series to have it is pretty pointless on top of being selective.
Like I earlier said maybe you shouldn't go making baseless implications. You're reaching now. Nowhere did I say the original series nor Super was Shit you on the other hand already pretty much stated the latter.
I've been a DragonBall fan for some 16-17 years no one wanted this. No one has any reason to want this.
To you maybe not to the majority of the fanbase. Multiverse is some nonsensical KOF inspired garbage.
....Yeah because this is the entire synopsis of Super.....oh wait no it's not also no it's not. Also you seem to be largely unaware of the fact that the fanbase for years have floated the idea of new transformations and powerups so you not wanting it is incredibly strange.
Once again this is purely subjective if you like it fine the rest of the fanbase has little to no reason to like it because it has nothing remotely likeable about it. And you're insistence on shilling it here is tired.
.....And you talk about me not reading?
Oh you have? so can you tell us what the remaining 37 episodes of Super's planned 100 episode run are like?
Your opinion on the quality of Super and on Multiverse is subjective not objective therefore not valid.
Between you're grasping at straws, making implications with zero basis, doubling down on something only you care about ,and backing it using arguments that aren't substantive?
Should I point out the fact that only you keep insisting how good Multiverse is whereas the rest of the people who've commented on this thread had said nothing positive about it?
Why do you keep saying this when it isn't true? If you said it was a series that DragonBall fans didn't know they wanted you're insistence on promoting it would have some levity. But to say it's a series "All" DragonBall fans have wanted is incredibly presumptuous (on top of being wrong). |
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ZeppelinT3S
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Wow you have way too much free time on your hands, I won't even attempt to argue
But I will say that we all do want new Transformations, but not Red, Blue and Pink Baby Doll Super Saiyans We want Bardock. DBM has Bardock We want Cell. DBM has Cell We want Vegetto. DBM has Vegetto We want Gohan. DBM has Gohan We want Uub. DBM has Uub I could go on. You still fail to explain what you don't like about Dragon Ball Multiverse No one has said anything positive nor negative about this show because not many people know about it But this all changes today Dragon Ball Multiverse is a really good fanmanga Please read it |
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BadNewsBlues
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You shouldn't because you're being a hypocrite.
The Color of the powerups doesn't matter the reality of the situation is that fans have been clamoring for new transformations. BOTG & Revival Of F deliver that even if it wasn't everyone's ideal transformations.
"Episode Of Bardock" is a thing not canon of course but it exists.
Let's see Z had him along with GT......why do why need more of character who already had an entire arc centered around him and was killed at the end of it?
I liked Vegetto myself but let's be realistic here with as powerful as a character he was he's definitely someone who shouldn't be around on a semi regular basis.
Let's see was one of the major characters of the 2nd part of DragonBall and had a least two movies featuring him as the protagonist......why is it a big deal he's in Multiverse? Especially when one of the common criticisms of DragonBall is that none of the non saiyan characters get to shine. Unless of course you're talking about Son Gohan The 1st which I'm pretty sure few people care about.
....Ummmmm okay?
I really you'd rather not as you're reasoning in circles and getting increasingly desperate.
You still failed to read my reasons for why I don't like Multiverse. But to sum it up in simple terms (that you'll still ignore) it has a terrible concept guiding it and comes off as incredibly lazy.
It's not a simple thing of them not knowing it. No one but you cares about it the only thing people care about regarding DragonBall is any new official material, the video games, and maybe the TeamFourStar dub. There's literally nothing about Multiverse that makes it appealing.
Oh it does? funny how only me and you are discussing the fine points of a terrible fan manga. |
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ZeppelinT3S
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Name one element of the story that you don't like
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BadNewsBlues
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............Haven't I done this about what 3 times already? |
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