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Utsuro no Hako
Joined: 18 May 2012
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:06 am
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Quote: | It's true that the essay Hachiman writes for her class should trigger her concern, but it's how Ms. Hiratsuka goes about trying to “fix” him that forms the problem. She's one of those violent and rude teachers so prevalent in Japanese pop culture, who takes an attitude that she alone knows best without considering the student's circumstances. |
There's a much better handling of this trope in the recent volumes of Watamote -- Tomoko's new homeroom teacher is a gym coach who reacts to Tomoko's social anxiety disorder the same way she would to a student who can't do pushups -- lots of loud, humiliating lectures that are supposed to make Tomoko work harder to fit in, but actually make her feel more miserable and pathetic.
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Parsifal24
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:21 am
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Quote: | The biggest problem for some readers may be the way Hachiman refers to Miura and Yui, who both roll their skirts and unbutton their blouses a bit, as “sluts.” |
there really is not "nice" way for this kind of thing to be conveyed you could use a less loaded term but regardless your still judging someone on their sartorial choices and it just makes you seem petty and judgemental. While it is nice to see the whole "best years of our lives" trope get taken down a peg.
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jojothepunisher
Joined: 04 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:44 am
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How dare you don't give the novel an A!!!!!!
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Lemonchest
Joined: 18 Mar 2015
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:48 am
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Enjoyed the anime (first season, anyway) enough, but wouldn't be interested in the books. I can only imagine a self-pitying arsehole like Hachiman being even more insufferable when they get to narrate their own masturbatory misery.
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_Emi_
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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Location: Langjökull
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:20 pm
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Quote: | As far as annoyingly unrealistic statements made to children by adults go, “these are the best years of your life” is probably one of the worst. |
I don't think I can find the words to properly express how much I hate the whole "best years of your life" bullshit. I'm not usually a violent person but whenever I hear someone say that, I want to deck them. My childhood/teen years were miserable and I felt miserable and depressed through most of it. At 31 I still am to some degree, although I've been slowly getting better. I sometimes wonder if I suffer from depression.
I think I'll check to see if my library system has it, though I'm pretty sure it won't. Does anyone know where else I could somehow borrow this?
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Via_01
Joined: 24 Aug 2014
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:39 pm
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Well, I was kinda expecting the first novel to feel like that, considering that the first 5-6 episodes of the anime are also the most disappointing of the bunch; I really had to power through them the last time I rewatched the show.
Still, having some knowledge from the show, Hiratsuka's choice to force Hachiman into the club does have its reasons.
Anyhow, I don't feel compelled to buy this book, regardless of how much I love the show, but I might be on the lookout for the next few volumes.
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jaykayjk10
Joined: 05 Jan 2016
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:09 pm
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Where's my season 3 at doe...
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Razor/Edge
Joined: 05 Jun 2015
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:17 pm
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jaykayjk10 wrote: | Where's my season 3 at doe... |
From my understanding, there are 11 volumes of the light novel out in Japan, and both seasons of the anime have covered all 11 volumes. There hasn't bee new novel out in Japan in awhile for some reason. So don't expect a third season anytime soon if ever.
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Number 6
Joined: 16 Sep 2016
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:18 pm
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Quote: | Miura's boyfriend Hayato |
This is wrong. Hayato is not Miura's boyfriend. In fact, neither Hayama Hayato nor Yumiko Miura have a boyfriend or girlfriend. They're both single.
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DeTroyes
Joined: 30 May 2016
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:41 pm
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Would like to see a Season 3 of the anime for this, but somehow I doubt it will ever happen.
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Clarste
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:19 pm
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Parsifal24 wrote: |
Quote: | The biggest problem for some readers may be the way Hachiman refers to Miura and Yui, who both roll their skirts and unbutton their blouses a bit, as “sluts.” |
there really is not "nice" way for this kind of thing to be conveyed you could use a less loaded term but regardless your still judging someone on their sartorial choices and it just makes you seem petty and judgemental. While it is nice to see the whole "best years of our lives" trope get taken down a peg. |
As I recall from the anime, he calls them "bitches" in Japanese. As in, the English loanword. Which has more sexual connotations when used in Japanese. "Slut" is probably the best possible translation. Hachiman simply is that petty and mean.
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tehhead
Joined: 11 Apr 2013
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 12:09 am
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Parsifal24 wrote: |
Quote: | The biggest problem for some readers may be the way Hachiman refers to Miura and Yui, who both roll their skirts and unbutton their blouses a bit, as “sluts.” |
there really is not "nice" way for this kind of thing to be conveyed you could use a less loaded term but regardless your still judging someone on their sartorial choices and it just makes you seem petty and judgemental. While it is nice to see the whole "best years of our lives" trope get taken down a peg. |
what reason is there to dress sorta skimpily outside of attracting other gender?
they could be a victim of fashion industry, but to outsiders it is what that people show that matter
and hachiman kinda get better at judging people as the series progress & miura is not completely similar to what hachiman assume she is
yuigahama is a victim of peer pressure, kinda, not that she hate it
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whiskeyii
Joined: 29 May 2013
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:16 am
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I could see why someone like Hachiman, who seems almost narcissistic in his self-centeredness, would think that "Oh, of course girls dress like that to attract guys!" because he a) doesn't seem to know any better (studies show that women dress up more for themselves rather than for others, regardless if they're romantically involved or not), and b) because he doesn't seem capable of imagining possibilities outside of his very narrow worldview.
Still, even if this novel perfectly captures that cynical mindset, I don't know if I'll ever read it; I found Hachiman hard to handle in the anime, where there was more distance between him and the viewer. I think being privy to mindset as well would be too much for me to handle without wanting to throw the book against my wall. ^^;
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tehhead
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:53 am
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i never really get why people can't stand people like hachiman
at worst he's a judgemental person, at best he just back off like most introverts are
maybe me being asian live in asia & westerners in western world
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Mohawk52
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:05 pm
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Number 6 wrote: |
Quote: | Miura's boyfriend Hayato |
This is wrong. Hayato is not Miura's boyfriend. In fact, neither Hayama Hayato nor Yumiko Miura have a boyfriend or girlfriend. They're both single. |
Yeah, I found that statement a bit incorrect as well. He's more like just another gang member of her clique.
I can understand the resentment of someone like Hachiman, but if one has never experienced the amount of rejection he is shown to have suffered in his young life one will never understand where he is coming from and why he has come to his conclusions, however wrong , or misguided they appear. He is constantly in defensive mode in every interaction with the opposite sex he experiences, because he has been shown that everytime he tries to connect the other person puts up a barrier and he is so exhausted from trying and the two-faceness of faux pas friendships he now just helps with the building of that barrier to protect him from their rejections he constantly expects. Yukino on the other hand is a bit of a conundrum. We don't get much background about her issues except she seems to be in some sort of competition with her over dominating sister who appears to take great entertainment from her own brand of mental abuse of those around her including her little sister. In short just about every character has a bit detestability about them in one way or another. As for "the-best-years-of-your-life" notion. When one is in the late autumn, early winter of one's life it is not so hard to look back at one's youth and remember only the silly concerns and difficult barriers that one might have had to surpass and climb over with nostalgia when one faces the fact that one does not have much life left to make any improvement to one's position in the world. When one watches his hard earned friends die away leaving one alone, one can not but think of their youth and feel "I thought I had it so bad back then because I could make no friends. Now having eventually made them they have gone before me, and all I have now are those memories, What a silly fool I was".
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