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zrnzle500
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You're nothing if not prompt in your response [/sarcasm]. First off, they are more clarifying the exact details rather than this is how it makes sense. Your point in the second paragraph belies the one in your first. Theron has as you said done a good job reviewing it without reading the novels and from his scores, seems to think that the show is working. I fail to see how adding material from the novels doesn't contribute to the discussion. Rather you are the one who can't contribute to that discussion, which is your complaint. If you read the part of my post you quoted you'll see I said treating the source as unrelated is absurd, not ignoring or not reading the source, which btw I haven't. Saying that the novels are unrelated as to be impertinent to the discussion of the anime is patently absurd. The novels will always be related to the anime and thus pertinent. |
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dash56
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Since the witch's cult showed up, I assumed that they've been targeting Emilia because of her half elf heritage or on the chance that she has a connection with Satella. Now I'm wondering if it has to do with her connection with spirits. The way Betelgeuse(part 2) reacted with that tiny spirit kind of intimated that they might be a major weakness.
If this were the case then Emilia is a pretty big threat to the cult seeing as how easily she communicates with spirits and how crazy powerful Puck is. |
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whiskeyii
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Personally, I thought it might be a sixth sense sort of thing (like Subaru sensing the Hands when they attacked the group the first time around), but I like your more rational explanations better. 
Surprisingly not a whole lot to chew on for me this time. I was a little disappointed to see Subaru making nice so soon, given how borderline-murderous his face seems to be when interacting with Julius, but the bit about still resenting him was a nice touch and rang pretty true for me. I did find Subaru's "Is he gonna' pop up again when we leave" bit to be really funny, though, as I had that exact same worry myself. Always double-tap. 
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That ending.
I want next week to come already to see what's up with Ram. |
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DuskyPredator
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It did look like the siblings purposely created a water spray as to make the hands visible. It would make sense that Subaru would have warned of the hands and they would prepare counterplans to them, which is probably why the group was so quick to follow his instructions of getting down when he yelled it.
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DRosencraft
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What I love about series like this is the array of theories you can come up with to fit the scenarios laid out. I think the way Subaru reacted to Betelgeuse's death (questioning if he really was dead), the insistence of the Cultists that Subaru has to be not just one of them, but a big-shot on the level of Betelgeuse, what we now hear of the black book Betelgeuse had/Subaru now has, and what we've seen of Subaru up to now, raises an interesting theory in my mind.
What if the Sins that lead the Witch's Cult are all folks that, like Subaru, have been subject to Return By Death? She has an affection towards individuals that creates a sort of paradox where she both tests their limits to the point of their death, while also ensuring they come back to life. We've seen with Subaru that enduring this even a relatively limited number of times can be taxing mentally, even leading to a spiral where he snaps. It's at times led him to be reckless, to the point where he's willfully embraced the fact that there is a connection between him and the Jealous Witch. Even now he - perhaps shrewdly, perhaps dangerously - is willing to tempt her powers for his benefit, using it to draw those who embrace her power to seek him out irrespective of other threats or targets. Assuming Betelgeuse wasn't just born psychotic, what happened to warp him that much? Suppose he started out a fairly normal person like Subaru, went through a similar set of circumstances as him, and the psycho we've had up until now was the end result. What if the entire ordeal Subaru's gone/going through is part of her plan to turn him into a follower, one of the Sins? |
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dash56
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Yeah the guy with the powers to come back after death is definitely going to be the most weary of his enemies not truly being dead. It would have been funny if one of the knights said "Don't worry Subaru, it's not like people can rise from the grave.". |
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NeverConvex
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I don't mind the book/novel discussion so long as it's spoilered properly. It's particularly nice if it's flagged as book-specific, so we anime-only viewers can choose whether to venture in or not.
Glad someone clarified how Wilhelm saw the hands; somehow I didn't infer that the shower of water (which I actually thought was blood when it first began - I was quite confused) had revealed Beetelgeuse's hands. That's a great catch. |
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jutsuri
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I'm not sure Subaru's relationship to the Witch is the same as the Archbishops, because both Betelgeuse and his replacement seemed angry at the 'unusual, unreasonable, inexplicable' amount of the Witch's love he has. As if Subaru is more beloved than even the highest ranking Cultists. I wonder if the Cult was plan A, and when they weren't working out the way she wanted Subaru was brought in as plan B. Or perhaps part 1 and part 2 of the same plan, but I feel like he is getting special attention, the Cultists can tell, and they are jealous.
Also, the fact that the Witch appears to whisper 'aishiteiru' in Subaru's ear when he invokes her power gives Betelgeuse's constant references to the Witch's love some context. At first I thought it was just an aspect of his insanity, but now I feel like there might be something a bit deeper. |
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dash56
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Ah that makes sense. Now I'm wondering if Subaru isn't only affected psychologically when he dies but also through the magic that brings him back. Could those whisper moments be in any way subtly motivating/corrupting him? |
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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jutsuri,
There is a lot of evidence that indicates that Subaru is NOT a member of the Witch Cult and that one of the major members of the cult can't really wrap his head around someone who smells of the witch's influence NOT being a member of the cult. Belt once again asks Subaru if he is Pride, because Pride is the only "open" member of the cult, apparently. Belt says in a previous incarnation that Pride is the only one he hasn't met yet, so he assumes that is who Subaru is. He then asks to see Subaru's copy of the Gospel, which as a cult member, Subaru should have. As Subaru is NOT a cult member, he doesn't have that book (not until he stole it this episode). I don't know why everyone is so fixated on Subaru being Pride. Evidence doesn't support that, though that doesn't mean he's not... or rather that he won't be in the future. But ATM, he's not Pride and not a member of the Witch's Cult. Furthermore, Belt is not going through Return By Death. There are no restarts. It appears that his consciousness is transferred to another Finger if the current body dies. As is said this episode, all the fingers together may be considered to be Belt, which is why Puck commented previously that it is pointless just killing Belt. Also, Belt seemed to think that ONLY he should be able to see this "Unseen Hands", and is at a loss as to why Subaru can see them. |
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NeverConvex
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I don't think evidence supports him being an active, conscious member of the cult, but I don't see much reason to conclude that the Witch's plan isn't for him to serve as the Archbishop of Pride, his present loyalties aside. Even disregarding his witchy scent, he did pick up the Gospel in this last episode, after which standard denizens of this world apparently become righteously insane witch-fearing zealots.
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jutsuri
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To be clear, I don't think Subaru is a member of the Cult or the Archbishop of Pride, he just smells like he is.
I'm still holding out hope for Subaru and Puck to work together and do their comedy bit more, and I somehow doubt that Puck will be friendly towards anyone associated with the Cult. |
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Amuris
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the problem is a matter of lumping too many things together. Subaru has the qualifications to be Archbishop of Pride, but isn't a member of the cult. It's pretty clear he isn't a member so lets think more about what makes him qualified and how he seem to relate to the only Archbishop we know.
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Pierrot.
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If I recall correctly, when Subaru picked the ground dragon in episode 19 Rem said, "This ground dragon is a type known for extreme pride." and he just so happens to easily tame a prideful dragon. I don't think him taming one so easily was just a coincidence and might be foreshadowing his possible role in the future.
Or it could just be a red herring to throw us off. *shrugs* |
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