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Cptn_Taylor



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:37 am Reply with quote
Just Passing Through wrote:
KENZICHI wrote:


Mind telling me how? And this is a legit question, no sarcasm.


You could make the argument that the European project is doomed, that they let too many countries into the club too quickly, hoovering up the impoverished former Soviet bloc, diluting the Western European prosperity, you could argue that the Euro as a Currency is a millstone, holding back the stronger European economies. You could say that situations such as the Greek economy are hindered by EU meddling and rules rather than helped. You could say that the rise of populist and Nationalist movements in all EU countries pretty much guarantee the break up of the EU, and by getting in there first, the U.K. will mitigate the damage a whole lot more quickly.

For me that is all an unlikely worst case scenario, but some might think it's a lot more likely.


I'm continously baffled by the ignorance the British display versus European history and their influence on continental politics. It is like Americans being ignorant of what lies north and south of their border. The Uk has always had one foot in, one foot out of the EU, it is the country with the biggest number of opt-outs. So voting to regain control of the your country is senseless. The big historical irony of course is that the reasons that brexiters invoked for leaving the EU are the EXACT SAME policies that the UK has being pushing all along while being member of the EU. Lets enumerate them shall we ?

First : Immigration and expansion towards eastern europe.

How many know that is was the UK (good dog of the US of A) that pushed the EU towards the rapid expansion eastwards ? Against the better judgement of the French and Germans ? Yes, you heard that right, All those eastern countries, from Poland, to Hungary, to Romania, to Bulgaria, the Baltic States etc... they're all in the EU because of the UK. They were the ones pushing for it because the US feared that those newly liberated countries after the fall of communism could somehow renter the Russian sphere of influence. And we can't have that, so France and Germany were overruled and we got a host of countries that were not up to the standard of Western Europe. Poor, illberal, authoritarian, these countries represented the new Europe to quote that criminal of Dick Chenney. Old Europe was too old to matter anymore. And with this rapid expansion came of course freedom of movement and all the problems linked with it.

Second : Immigration and Turkey.

This is even funnier in a twisted sort of way. As with the previous point it has always been the UK that has pushed for the admission of Turkey in the EU. Yes you heard that right boys and girls. France doesn't want it, Germany doesn't want it. The Netherlands doesn't want it. Italy doesn't want it. Spain and Portugal don't want it. Greece obviously doesn't want it. Who's left ? The good old British. They have pushed (alwaya aided by the US) to get Turkey at all costs into the EU.

Third : EU and laws.

On this point, how many British know that the UK pushed for laws in the EU setting that could not be pushed domestically. And then blamed the EU for it. This is dissonance on a level that just bogles the mind.

You have to understand one thing, the UK has been for over 4 decades since their admission in the then EEC and then EU the partypoopers par excellence. If the EU is disfunctional it is not only for "abstract or idological " reasons. It is because the UK actively sabotaged and kind of momentum that could have reformed the EU. De Gaulle over 50 years ago didn't want the UK in the EEC, and he vetoed their admission sevral times. It was only after his death that France relented and gave the UK a free pass so to speak. But the political establishment has always known the UK would never play along, they just deluded themselves into thinking otherwise. And now all the problems most of which were created by the UK in the first place are coming home to roost.

In a way I'm glad the British have finally revealed their true colors. No more UK exceptionalism in Europe. They wanted out, kick them out once and for all.
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Zin5ki



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:09 am Reply with quote
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It's hard to not generalise the leave voters as racist when you live in an area that landslide majority voted leave, and get harassed in the street and in shops, get threats that your house is gonna get burnt down, and constantly told you don't belong in this country (ironically by someone third-gen ukranian) just because someone doesn't like the spelling of your last name.

This is one of the reasons this news was so dispiriting. In London, the fact I have a foreign-sounding name is typically of no ill consequence. Concerning my friends and family members in less cosmopolitan areas of the country, I cannot be so sanguine.
My country's disaster is as much one of principle as it is of economics: the least progressive members of our society, if indeed it is right to speak of a single British society any more, have been vindicated in their convictions at the great expense of others.
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Puniyo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:23 am Reply with quote
Zin5ki wrote:
Puniyo wrote:
It's hard to not generalise the leave voters as racist when you live in an area that landslide majority voted leave, and get harassed in the street and in shops, get threats that your house is gonna get burnt down, and constantly told you don't belong in this country (ironically by someone third-gen ukranian) just because someone doesn't like the spelling of your last name.

This is one of the reasons this news was so dispiriting. In London, the fact I have a foreign-sounding name is typically of no ill consequence. Concerning my friends and family members in less cosmopolitan areas of the country, I cannot be so sanguine.
My country's disaster is as much one of principle as it is of economics: the least progressive members of our society, if indeed it is right to speak of a single British society any more, have been vindicated in their convictions at the great expense of others.


I was born in London and I never knew what racism was until I had to move North a few years ago. I've always had issues here since literally the day I moved in, but since the results were announced the problems have increased dramatically overnight. It is not only me and my family either, but almost everyone with foreign names in the area. It is so disheartening that this is how we, as British, are showing ourselves in this time that the whole world is watching us. Tolerance is a core British value that has become victim of senseless nationalism and racism of which, before this, I truly believed was finally beginning to disappear.
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Topgunguy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:10 am Reply with quote
This is why they went in to begin with and their job is done now.
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Chrysostomus



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:28 am Reply with quote
Tempest wrote:

I've yet to hear a single professional economist reflect that view. And while I'm certain there are probably a few, much like a few climate scientists deny climate change, the consensus among economists seems very much the opposite; the UK will suffer in the long run.

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Well, Paul Krugman recently commented on Brexit and he basically said that the apocalyptic fear-mongering of Britain's economy was getting way out of hand.
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Just Passing Through



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:30 am Reply with quote
Chrysostomus wrote:
Well, Paul Krugman recently commented on Brexit and he basically said that the apocalyptic fear-mongering of Britain's economy was getting way out of hand.


Since it's the markets, the banks, and big businesses doing all of the fear-spreading, I guess that means we're all buggered!


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:54 am Reply with quote
Pidgeot18 wrote:

(indeed, Nigel Farage already admitted that his £350M/wk will go to the NHS was crock).

You also have places like Cornwall which immediately turned around and said "you better make up the money the EU gives us or else."



I don't support Farage but he never said that the money would go to the NHS that was the offical leave casmpaign which he wasnt part of.

A lot of people I spoke to didn't seem to know that Cornwall got funding, and the fact that Cornwall voted out means we cant really complain if we dont get any to make up for it.

New trade agreements will be made both with Europe and the rest of the world so until those are in place it's hard to say what effect that will have.any businesses.
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Fallen Wings



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:35 am Reply with quote
Brent Allison wrote:
Anyone completely devoid of racism, xenophobia, or ethno-nationalism who supported Leave because your careful study of international trade that lead you to a conclusion which bucked the overarching trend of scholarly economic consensus, please, chime in and help us out.


They already did. They did a doco-thing here called Lexit. Or "The left case for Brexit".

I'm not a UK-er but all the Socialistic/ Marxist people that I've come across from there have been arguing about how the EU was making everything easier for corruption and for companies to exploit people.

I was in bit of a panic after the EU myself, but this movie made it seem like it might actually work out okay.
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Chrysostomus



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:25 am Reply with quote
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Not all people who voted Leave are xenophobic racists, but all xenophobic racists voted Leave.
Is it racist to not want to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats from other countries? Is that where the racism claim comes from?
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Cptn_Taylor



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:01 am Reply with quote
Chrysostomus wrote:
Puniyo wrote:
Not all people who voted Leave are xenophobic racists, but all xenophobic racists voted Leave.
Is it racist to not want to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats from other countries? Is that where the racism claim comes from?


The UK's parlementary system and voting system is even less democratic than that of the EU. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Don't they teach you anything in those public schools of yours ?
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Fallen Wings



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:21 am Reply with quote
Cptn_Taylor wrote:

The UK's parlementary system and voting system is even less democratic than that of the EU. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Don't they teach you anything in those public schools of yours ?


So people can't be concerned by this? That the EU commission is not elected by the people and yet can introduce legislation?

Is that clip incorrect?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:34 am Reply with quote
Fallen Wings wrote:
That the EU commission is not elected by the people and yet can introduce legislation?


Well, the president of the USA is not elected by the people, yet I have yet to hear one protest about said procedure. The EU commission has been there since before I (and probably you) was born, yet it is only now that people are thinking it is anti-democratic? "When to people think the same, one of them is thinking for the other" and in this mass media world, said thinking person is not in the room.
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Pidgeot18



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:46 am Reply with quote
Fallen Wings wrote:
That the EU commission is not elected by the people and yet can introduce legislation?


Well, the House of Lords isn't elected...

And for extra hilarity, point out that Anglican bishops are automatically MPs in the UK. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:23 pm Reply with quote
jsevakis wrote:
So the UK market includes Manga UK/Animatsu, Anime Ltd. (d/b/a All The Anime), MVM and occasionally StudioCanal. Did I miss any?

There's the newcomer Universal Pictures , and also Funimation if you could their own label distribution titles separately from the ones Anime Limited have licensed in full. 101 Films have re-released some ADV titles, although that well is pretty much dry now. There are also a few outliers like Warner (Jojo's, and possible Terraformars).

(I've been beaten to it, but whatever)

Just Passing Through wrote:
Anime Limited and @Anime in France are affiliated.

They're more than just affiliated - @Anime's head office is in Glasgow.

Buzz201 wrote:
There's the other problem that you generally don't buy UK rights, you buy UK & Ireland or UK, Ireland & Scandinavia or UK, Ireland, Scandinavia & the Netherlands. So it could lead to countries missing out...

UK and Ireland are almost always packaged together (I remember one exception, but not what it was) and while they were formerly both EU countries, I don't see that it will make any difference if they aren't - for years US licencees have been getting British, Irish and Australian rights and it hasn't mattered that the US and AU are not in EU. Most anime isn't officially released in Ireland anyway, since they require local certification which just costs too much.
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Fallen Wings



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:27 pm Reply with quote
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Well, the president of the USA is not elected by the people, yet I have yet to hear one protest about said procedure.

I have and I'm not in your country either. Also I'm not convinced that "Hey this thing is undemocratic in this country" is a good reason why some people can't be concern. Though holding the USA up as the standard of democracy is ... weird.

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Well, the House of Lords isn't elected...

See above. Thought, if I'm mistaken, they can't actually stop bills coming into law though? They exist as checkers, right? Though, coming from a country which we vote in both our 'houses', I think it is odd that the UK hasn't done anything to change it.

(Though ... according to democracy indexes, Australia is actually above the UK and the USA when it comes to democracy so maybe I'm coming from a different place here ...? Like culturally speaking perhaps?)

mangamuscle wrote:
The EU commission has been there since before I (and probably you) was born, yet it is only now that people are thinking it is anti-democratic?

And I'm pretty sure that people have been saying it has been undemocratic for awhile .... before you were born even.
And back to the definition of democracy. Even with they USA, you can still effectively vote them out of office. They are, somewhat, accountable. The issue I'm seeing here is that the EU commission is not elected by the people and can't be voted out by the people either. Somewhat like a Board of Directors at a company, I guess?

I'm happy to be corrected on this but so far people's reasoning seems 'But this person did it first' of old kindergarten days, as to eliminate concerns of corruption/anti-democracy. Surely the whole Greek thing is concerning?
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