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brankoburcksen
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The ending of The Lost Village will be the conceit. So far this season, this is the show conclusion I am most looking forward to. I hope it is a real conversation starter!
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Zin5ki
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Thank you for another variegated podcast! There is an seemig abnormality to ANNCast returning to a weekly format in spite of the new comic and contributor programme, so well done for optimising the available time!
I have no intention of seeing The Lost Village, though it is proving to be a worthwhile creation simply through the conversation arising from it. Conventional wisdom echoes Zac's point that a show which is putatively "so bad it's good" cannot be aware of its own status as such. I eagerly await the critical paroxysm that will arise if this series becomes a precedent against this principle. Since it sounds as if the criticism of the show can stand apart from the experience of watching it, I will doubtlessly enjoy the reactions. |
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Angel M Cazares
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I like the new format for ANNCast. I appreciate that Zac is going to keep up with more current anime shows. I do not always agree with him, but he is very good at judging the quality of anime. And I assume the episodes dedicated to discussing a single show/franchise will still be posted in a regular basis (one every 5-6 weeks).
I am pleased to hear that Ushio and Tora has remained strong. I am slowly catching up to it, but I am really liking it. Adding to the discussion of what is the ideal shounen, Ushio and Tora to me is a great example. It has a bit of everything: likable teems, good action sequences, touchy moments and layered villains. And on Mayoiga, I will say that it is garbage. I don't believe it is intentionally crappy; the creative (if you can call them that) staff are just being very inept at their jobs. |
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Videogamep
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I'm just curious if anyone actually thinks The Lost Village is good. So far people seem split on whether it's intentionally bad or unintentionally bad.
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stilldemented
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My viewpoint kind of feels like a broken record at this point, but probably falls in line with Nick's assessments of the show without using the same terminology. I view the show as an attempt at an absurdist piece. The confusion lies in that the show is so subtle that I am at a complete loss as to whether it is intentional or not. If it is, it's doing a pretty decent job of it. If it isn't...then we're free to interpret it how we see fit. Whether that be 'so bad, it's good' or 'god-awful mess'. The characters and setting for the story seem right for it.
That's some blah from the wikipedia on Theatre of the Absurd that I found semi-relational to the structure of The Lost Village. If you want a more humorous crack about the show? 30 redditors logged onto tvtropes and clicked Absurdity Ascendent for shoots and giggles. They made a show revolving around the search results. 
Trivial Sources for Said Reasoning http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbsurdityAscendant (add checkmarks when applicable) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_the_Absurd#Theatrical_features (quotes and whimsical evidence) I apologize in advance to the people who are already over-familiar with my thoughts. 
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TarsTarkas
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My first thought was that Nicholas Cage was going to be a guest. Which is not that much of a leap, considering his known interests. At least, I will keep telling myself that.
Good show though to all. Thanks. |
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Kosaka
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I hadn't heard of the word they used in describing Flying Witch, "ee-ah-shi-kay", before. I wonder how the word is written in the Latin alphabet, iashike maybe?
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BodaciousSpacePirate
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Iyashikei 癒し系 |
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Parsifal24
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I was firmly in the Mayoiga is so bad it's awful camp until I watched episode seven and while I don't think Mizushima, Tsutomu is intentionally making a bad series out of a sense of “irony” or to subtly mock his audience. After all, he did write and direct and write the lyrics for the theme song to the Anime adaptation of Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan as well. And when he's bad he is terrible Mayoiga could very easily make Mizushima the Anime equivalent of Ed Wood if Mizushima had not done Shirobako.
In short I think Mayoiga is good for what it is Schlock Horror and if it is trying to be comedic it is on some next level Andy Kaufman kind of comedy. That most won't get I don't think it is a comedy or intentional because that would imply some kind of insight into the director's intent and mindset that I think Critics can not have short of the director saying it outright in an interview. As far as Mari Okada's work on it she had done Series Composition, and the Script for episode one Koyanagi, Keigo ( script for Kaiketsu Zorori Movie: Uchuu no Yuusha-tachi and Setting for Angel Beats!!) Along with Oonishi, Shinsuke (Screenplay for episodes 9, 10, 15, 18 and 24 of Aquarion EVOL and screenplay for New Getter Robo). Have also had a hand in writing the script so it's far from only her “fault” in creating this although she has a major hand. Still I enjoy it Kakuma, Ai as Love-Pon is fun to watch and the series weirdly has become appointment TV for me where as Joker Game and Bungo Stray Dogs have gone down in in my estimation considerably. As far as Kiznaiver goes I think it's more that I'm expected to care about characters that are so one dimensional and archetypal. As opposed to Okada not understanding empathy it's less Okada being judgmental and more having a really bad or limited grasp of characterization she writes from a very small emotional pallet which makes her work hit or miss. |
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WingKing
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[quote="stilldemented"]
I dropped Mayoiga because I had too many shows to keep up with, but from the portions I saw I was basically thinking the same thing. Mizushima has an extremely strong track record as a comedy director, and stylistically his anime have always embraced parody, surrealism, and absurdism. He is the director who gave us widget shows like Dokuro-chan and Dai Mahou Touge, of course. But even his most mainstream comedies like Girls und Panzer and Squid Girl mine some of their best humor from the absurdist's toolkit. One of the ways Garupan separates itself from High School Fleet, for instance, is that Mizushima recognized the built-in absurdity of Garupan's premise from the start and took advantage of it with scenes like the hilarious "Doing tankery will make you a better housewife" recruiting video. HSF, on the other hand, treats its premise 100% seriously and its humor relies entirely on standard anime comedy beats, i.e. "quirky" characters and slapstick, leading to a show that doesn't feel nearly as inspired or energetic as its predecessor (alas, I can only imagine how much fun Mizushima would've had with HSF's spoiler[ill-tempered, mutated sea rats]). |
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Edl01
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I honestly can't see how Mayoiga can't be an absurdist parody of the horror genre.
If the show wasn't by Mizushima and Okada it would probably be a bigger question, but the fact it is them is proof enough for me that this show is trying to be funny. Okada isn't the best writer, I don't hate her and think she's made some good shows, but there's no denying she has made some pretty bad stuff. However of the words to describe Okada's worst shows, "Funny", doesn't come to mind. Maybe slow, dragged out or incredibly cringe worthy, but not funny. Jacob even says in the podcast that Kiznaiver isn't good hate watch material, because unlike something like Big Order it's not funny. So in that case can it be assumed that it's Mizushima's incompetence? He's not one of my favorite directors, but I think he's shown in show's like Girls und Panzer and Shirobako that he is a competent director who can make a decent show. It makes no sense that he would suddenly forget how to properly frame a shot here. Even if you want to compare this to Another you will quickly notice that show is not shot this incompetently, no matter what you think of it's quality. Maybe I'll be proven wrong in the end, but I genuinely don't see how two talented people who have both demonstrated at least some skill in their craft could ever make this without it being a parody. |
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Thatguy3331
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My hero academia not affecting Zac doesn't surprise me since it's very simply and it's a very specific kind of feeling that series gives... in the manga anyway, the anime's pacing is a bit of a point of contention for me and I feel like I'm the only one in the universe let down by the animation, if only because of the way things were drawn in the manga. I kept thinking things like Bakugou bombing himself around in episode 7 or so would be great but when I saw it I just thought "This is good... not not exactly what I wanted." and I kinda feel like a bit of snob saying that. It is colorful though and none of the above isn't to say there AREN'T well animated moments that impress me or even that the show is ugly it's just that specific feeling isn't IN the anime for me.
As far as this season it feels like the best one for me in along while... with the caiviot that all of the stuff I like is a bunch of loud, simple stuff. I like that stuff and as a contrast from last season's Rakugou it's great but I didn't really have to use my brain power for most shows. The only one that's challenging in that way is concrete revolutio but I don't even like concrete revolutio that much and am only keeping up with it for academic reasons since this is the "anime critic's darling show." and I want to have as full of a contextual understanding of it as possible to know why this show does so little for me. if it weren't for that I REAAAAAALLY wouldn't be bothering to watch it because it's the one show that is actively a chore for me to sit through and I'm definitely taking the participate of watching what I care about more into practice since I don't go on too many anime blogs anymore and my circle of anime critic people that I bother listening too is pretty small. There is a part of me that still enjoys the act of anaylizing and sharing/debating ideas about anime and manga but I haven't found a place where that won't turn into a giant hateful shit storm so I just stick to podcasts. I can watch things either weekly or marathon them but marathoning requires me to make out a chunk of time to watch things and do nothing BUT watching that one thing. So it's less of keeping the marathon up in as much as it is starting it (then because I pause the show to think about things and abuse my snazzy one button-per screen cap feature, finishing something like a 12 episode show could take longer because 22 minutes could turn into 45 with all of the personal. I have no sense of focus or self control.) So I guess I prefer watching things weekly but more out of technicality than because I hate marathoning. All I cared and wanted was for ratchet and clank to be a good movie but it wasn't and now I am sad. A genre that's hard for me to get into... well I mean there's stuff I straight up wouldn't bother with like Harems, most light novel stuff. I guess the "cute girls doing cute things" thing but weirdly enough this can also apply to certain shojo demographic series because the over all tone feels so... "soft" compared to what I'm used to. I'm not sure if its because I need a sense of sarcasm or something in my show but any time I watch a show where that stuff isn't there it makes me feel weird. Like I could read Yotsubba with ease yet with K-on there were definitely moments where I either wanted to hit the fast forward button or just kept looking at the timer, same for sansha sanyou. I wouldn't say it's exactly like that for Shojo but my love story and Snow white with the red hair did feel similar in that the tone was Kiznaiver is definitely a show I'm watching only because of the visuals since while I don't think it's good I don't have the disdain that Jacob has on it. It's all stylized in a way I like and its interesting seeing a trigger show (I stress the word show) where the strings pulling the visuals along are so obvious (Which I get was the point for kill la kill and it actually made me rethink the way I think of anime visuals because after KlK I see shit that can't be unseen anymore) |
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invalidname
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If the new format is live shows most of the time, and then a special episode like a Supernerds or an interview once a month, does that mean an end to to the series discussion ANNCasts? Sounds like Zac's new workload would make it unreasonable to squeeze in watching a 25-episode series.
Also, from the unsolicited advice department: assuming the live shows will generally be Zac and Jacob, maybe it's time for Jacob to replace Justin on the logo image (if that's not too much work)? Just seems fair. |
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Via_01
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Mizushima is not a fantastic director, but he's quite good. At the very least, he knows how to frame a shot so it delivers its full potential. It's because of Mizushima's directing that I'm sure The Lost Village is bad on purpose, and thus a very funny comedy. What convinced me is a frame that Nick linked to once on twitter. It basically consisted on a few characters listening to another one talk, but there was a tree clumsily blocking the face of the person talking. Now, this is a extremely bad shot, because it's not letting us concentrate properly on the conversation and it basically screams incompetence all over. That type of shot, however, it's extremely weird on an anime, because, well... you need to have someone draw that tree in order for it to exist in the show. Unlike a live-action show/movie, there's not a physical "location" that could get in the way of a shot; the existence of every element on the screen is deliberate on animation. You HAVE to be doing it in purpose to produce such a clumsy shot. |
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enurtsol
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Just sayin'
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