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Log Horizon (TV) (all seasons).

4) as always with such projects, unrealistic game mechanics, including ridiculous monetary system, in which one meal costs five golden coins -- while sane price for that would be something like five bronze coins -- not even silver ones, let alone golden.

2) idea of time flowing twelve times faster within the virtual game versus real life is not feasible since human brain would not just all of sudden capable of operating twelve times faster to accommodate to that;

3) the idea that with dying in this virtual world you lose memories of specifically real world, rather than random memories, is not convincing and is done only to dramatize the story;

4) as always with such projects, unrealistic game mechanics, including ridiculous monetary system, in which one meal costs five golden coins -- while sane price for that would be something like five bronze coins -- not even silver ones, let alone golden. Also, the lack of accessible travel is also unrealistic, since slow endless travels was only issue in older games. Developers since then realized that no one wants to waste time, so teleporting on the map is the solution. The griffon summoning would have never be a secret since player info always boasts his/her achievements. Beginner player abuse is prohibited by such games, it is not believable that rules would allow this. A lot of English-language "terms"/jargons that sound bad and makes no sense since such games are in Japanese from very beginning or well-translated. Making half-scaled version of real world makes no sense; if such project would exist, they would choose to make fully scaled version, or much smaller. Characters say they can smell taste of prepared via menu food, but can not feel taste -- it makes no sense since taste mainly conveyed by smell, not via basic senses of tongue. It is weird that some game veterans are shown to not know about cooking/chef subclasses and skills, they are not new. Players have their in-game electronic menus, but still engage in paper work?

5) due to necessity to follow idiotic upside-down "morals", no sex life in mentioned;

6) target audience of this show is not clear since there is some fighting, but there a lot of petty talks and cake eating, and some significant harem. And yet neither male nor female major characters are drawn to be "sexy";

7) the manner of skipping a part of an episode to show it later is annoying, not a great direction, it does not add anything to the storytelling. But, apparently, show's main director thinks it is a cool idea;

1) to be in awe of this anime's smarts, viewers have to believe that no one in the game besides one player knew about cooking and no one besides another player knew that guild building could be bought -- which is not feasible, so all supposedly "genius" plot turns and schemes by main lad are fake;

2) in a lot of episodes, especially in the begging, nothing important happens, no stakes in anything that occurs, party acts more of boredom than of any true necessity;

4) there were couple of examples of bad smaller guilds abusing players, but there was not nee to create "round table council" and laws to deal with them -- they could have been crashed regular ways;

5) main lad's plan was done already with knowledge of the fact that NPCs in this world are full human emulations, so not selecting NPCs' representatives (who also live in the city) in the round table council was stupid and provoking NPCs for dissent;

7) the first tasty food a guild of players decide to sell is junk, which is quite sad for Japanese project -- the country is known for its excellent cousine;

8) players forgot to took quests so whole virtual world is now in great danger, and this is plot-moving vehicle for this show? Ridiculous;

9) whole children practice story line is a showcase of the most pathetic party that could not possibly ever be players in such game -- they wasted days in dumb team-play before caring to learn how each others abilities work -- though they should have known already as they played the game before;

10) the show is often times boring as one one of three parallel mini-story lines is interesting; you can not care about the other two: the rectangular glasses guy courting NPC princess and children learning how not to be too stupid in team play -- they are fillers in sense that they only done to fill the episode number count;

11) one lad in the group of youth, yellow haired one, decides to commit suicide in the battle -- he knows he can not be resurrected as he is a NPC, not a player, and still goes to make pointless attack against an enemy. The "desperate" attack made no sense since as soon as it has happened there were no enemies around any more, so whole party was shown to take their time to mourn lad's grave condition;

12) it has turn out that at least health/defence magic support lasses knew that the lad was NPC, and yet did not treat him in a way that would reflect his much higher vulnerability to death. The excuse that he has asked one of lasses not to expose him does not work since there was way to care for him without bluntly exposing him, and the one lass was not asked to keep any secrets any way. So, as it turns out, those two lasses did not care if lad would be killed, despite the show trying to depict it as opposite;

13) main hero, a war strategist, leaves his duty to help a child for reason that even he does not not know in the beginning (to save yellow-haired NPC magician) -- not believable;

14) the party says that the lad has pulse, but if so, then the fact that they can not heal him is nonsensical -- the more so after main strategist lad has added mana;

15) player fighters should have go to Goblin King's cave and kill him while his troops are away; the excuse that regular goblins would just go on rampage is not convincing: in such games murdering top boss is usually the way. Besides, goblins are always on rampage anyway -- they are attacking either there is a king or not;

16) the main lad was made to behave badly towards NPC princess for a non-convincing reason just to invent at least some drama -- obvious seam in the storytelling;

17) second series starts with ridiculous strain of invented drama with monthly fees for owning city buildings all of sudden becoming twice bigger than the price of purchase;

18) characters are sad that they miss Christmas with their families, but it is ridiculous that authors suppose that players forgot the difference in speed of time (which is, as it was explained earlier, unreal, but still);

19) one of players talks to main lad that the lass he asked to protect NPC princess "is working hard" while all she is doing is jumping everywhere to watch how others train, instead of being around the NPC princess and actually protecting her;

20) it was stupid to commence with the raid in the city against crazy "defender" before his source of magic was turned off; makes no sense;

22) at one point a party that has stormed undergrounds with huge gold was defeated, and everyone all of sudden has started talking about how useless this effort was. This is nonsense because players get experience and level up, and also because they have defeated few top monster bosses there, and got the best loot from them. So even if they do not complete the raid, the effort was totally useful;

23) a little lass is sad about returning to real world because she loves to see cat-man, but it makes no sense as no one would forbid her from logging in the game from time to time and contacting to/playing with cat-man;

24) one of guild masters that teaches little NPC prince sword fighting does it wrong way: at no time he should hit so hard that boy's wooden sword would be thrown away off his hands;

1) relations between many characters are not believable since players do not revere each other so much; at best, they are pals and think that some other plays are cool, but nothing like this show depicts;

2) this project has cliche interactions such as "pervert" lad versus annoyingly violent and yet subservient lass (I hate such characters because they are so plentiful in all kinds of anime and insulting to women), though she is cute otherwise (pony-tail assassin);

4) it is sad that adult young lass (pony-tail assassin) had to be turned into a immature ten years old child avatar to response paedophilic fetishes of some of the audience; make her taller at last;

5) the cliche caricature on LGBT player is bad. But, considering conservatism of Japanese society, one must one if it should it be considered as good sign anyway;

6) evil players characters are mostly caricature, not like how they would look like in a game (evil people do not choose openly evil-looking avatars);

8) main hero is supposedly good, but he has hid from large crowd of players that they loose part of their memory when they die -- otherwise they would not be so eager to participate in pointless (for them) war with goblins;

9) main hero is so "smart" strategist that children always surprise him with ideas to such as to attack goblins first -- and this is a moment when "adults" make round eyes only to think "wow, not bad idea" later;

10) despite many central characters have reached level 90, they show no interest in progressing to level 100 -- not convincing;

11) cat-man fighting stance with one of rapiers behind his back is ridiculous as at no point it could be ever beneficial to fighting;

12) with the main lad, authors went overboard with his childhood where he has spent nights in a yard, while more believable version would be him playing video games (as he is gamer-escapist);

13) elf guild master has split personality disorder: he talks to himself, disputes; needs to attend medical professionals;

14) the little lad of the youth party once got all of sudden very annoying towards one of "suicide" players; it was none of his business, the "suiciders" were fine;

15) main lad's musing on whether players have to return to their original world is ridiculous, as, of course, nearly all of15 players want that, it is not a question, despite how it is portrayed in this show;

16) it is funny when characters come in in panic and scream "Trouble!" and "The city!.." -- no one talks like that in real situation as it makes no sense, it does not convey any information. In urgent situations, it would be stupid to waste time for useless talk, you'd get right to the point;

1) typical, bland, mundane, unoriginal, tired, cheap human character design -- users have priorly seen nearly every of those characters in other anime;

2) uninspired monster designs;

5) in the second series, the quality of backgrounds has increased, characters' drawing line became thinner, reaching 1080p quality -- the first season was also broadcast in 1080p, but in reality quality was mostly about 720p;

6) princess' pyjama looks nothing like those fit for the era of that type of clothing;

7) glasses design does not fit the fashion time line;

8) lasses' sexy clothes like those in which NPC princess changed to are lovely, there is nothing wrong or embarrassing about them, but it is deplorable when only major female characters get dressed that way -- it is not fair. So either both sexes have to have such clothes, or none;

2) idea of time flowing twelve times faster within the virtual game versus real life is not feasible since human brain would not just all of sudden capable of operating twelve times faster to accommodate to that;

3) the idea that with dying in this virtual world you lose memories of specifically real world, rather than random memories, is not convincing and is done only to dramatize the story;

4) as always with such projects, unrealistic game mechanics, including ridiculous monetary system, in which one meal costs five golden coins -- while sane price for that would be something like five bronze coins -- not even silver ones, let alone golden.

Also, the lack of accessible travel is also unrealistic, since slow endless travels was only issue in older games. Developers since then realized that no one wants to waste time, so teleporting on the map is the solution. The griffon summoning would have never be a secret since player info always boasts his/her achievements.

Beginner player abuse is prohibited by such games, it is not believable that rules would allow this. A lot of English-language "terms"/jargons that sound bad and makes no sense since such games are in Japanese from very beginning or well-translated.

Making half-scaled version of real world makes no sense; if such project would exist, they would choose to make fully scaled version, or much smaller.

Characters say they can smell taste of prepared via menu food, but can not feel taste -- it makes no sense since taste mainly conveyed by smell, not via basic senses of tongue. It is weird that some game veterans are shown to not know about cooking/chef subclasses and skills, they are not new.

Players have their in-game electronic menus, but still engage in paper work?

5) due to necessity to follow idiotic upside-down "morals", no sex life in mentioned;

6) target audience of this show is not clear since there is some fighting, but there a lot of petty talks and cake eating, and some significant harem. And yet neither male nor female major characters are drawn to be "sexy";

7) the manner of skipping a part of an episode to show it later is annoying, not a great direction, it does not add anything to the storytelling. But, apparently, show's main director thinks it is a cool idea;

1) to be in awe of this anime's smarts, viewers have to believe that no one in the game besides one player knew about cooking and no one besides another player knew that guild building could be bought -- which is not feasible, so all supposedly "genius" plot turns and schemes by main lad are fake;

2) in a lot of episodes, especially in the begging, nothing important happens, no stakes in anything that occurs, party acts more of boredom than of any true necessity;

3) there is a lot of minor fights in the show; they are not exciting at all;

4) there were couple of examples of bad smaller guilds abusing players, but there was not nee to create "round table council" and laws to deal with them -- they could have been crashed regular ways;

5) main lad's plan was done already with knowledge of the fact that NPCs in this world are full human emulations, so not selecting NPCs' representatives (who also live in the city) in the round table council was stupid and provoking NPCs for dissent;

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Gold-only currency systems is so overwhelmingly popular in fantasy RPG games (both multiplayer and offline) that I highly doubt MaxSouth has ever played any of them.

Why do you assume that it is virtual reality? It is quite common in MMO and games in general for the days in games to go by quicker compared to real life so people can experience the different times of that world when they might only have a window of their day to play.

They have ended up in a situation where HP is their actual life energy (they feel pain), mana/stamina whatever is their actual fortitude (they get tired). And experience is equated as actual experience, which would be memories.

So they chose to be allowable for a broader range, keep their PG rating.

And this is a problem, why? Mature does not mean boobs have to be thrown in. Their battles could be just as much talks as physical combat.

Except they lose experience when they die so they literally feel like they go backwards when that happens.

If she left, would she be able to come back? The game was like a modern MMO, not actually virtual reality, while they are in this world their characters are very real as is their relationships to others, and that would change if they went back.

Okay tell me an anime that has Nyanta in it?

My main point was that the prices are ridiculous; the fact that some games only have gold does not change that. You can not possibly find it reasonable that a meal can cost ten golden coins. And yes, I have played a lot of RPGs.

MaxSouth wrote:

My main point was that the prices are ridiculous; the fact that some games only have gold does not change that. You can not possibly find it reasonable that a meal can cost ten golden coins. And yes, I have played a lot of RPGs.

The prices are NOT ridiculous. According to the Log Horizon wiki, a goblin is worth 5-6 gold. Go into low level wilderness and kill a couple of easy monsters and you'll have enough gold to buy a dozen meals. If you go through a dungeon you'll probably make a couple hundred gold at least. Don't assume that gold has the same value in every RPG game.

The prices ARE ridiculous, because gold is gold. If authors mean that the currency is something super cheap in this particular game, then they should not call it "gold". There are a lot of RPGs that come up with imaginary currencies exactly because it would be stupid to call a cheap currency "gold".

My main point was that the prices are ridiculous; the fact that some games only have gold does not change that. You can not possibly find it reasonable that a meal can cost ten golden coins. And yes, I have played a lot of RPGs.

At no point the project shows that days lasts only two hours for players, everyone moves and acts real time as in real life for full day, and yet main lad states the time flies twelve times faster than in normal world.

They only lose tiny amount of experience after deaths, and they keep their loot with them. So it is always net positive anyway.

Of course, she would: the cat-man is player in original game. Whatever happens with connection to this new world, is irrelevant to the fact that the lass could easily connect to the cat-man at any time. Yet authors have forgot about that and written that episode in way that makes no sense.

The rest you have mentioned are all seen in other anime.

7) the first tasty food a guild of players decide to sell is junk, which is quite sad for Japanese project -- the country is known for its excellent cousine;

8) players forgot to took quests so whole virtual world is now in great danger, and this is plot-moving vehicle for this show? Ridiculous;

9) whole children practice story line is a showcase of the most pathetic party that could not possibly ever be players in such game -- they wasted days in dumb team-play before caring to learn how each others abilities work -- though they should have known already as they played the game before;

10) the show is often times boring as one one of three parallel mini-story lines is interesting; you can not care about the other two: the rectangular glasses guy courting NPC princess and children learning how not to be too stupid in team play -- they are fillers in sense that they only done to fill the episode number count;

11) one lad in the group of youth, yellow haired one, decides to commit suicide in the battle -- he knows he can not be resurrected as he is a NPC, not a player, and still goes to make pointless attack against an enemy. The "desperate" attack made no sense since as soon as it has happened there were no enemies around any more, so whole party was shown to take their time to mourn lad's grave condition;

12) it has turn out that at least health/defence magic support lasses knew that the lad was NPC, and yet did not treat him in a way that would reflect his much higher vulnerability to death. The excuse that he has asked one of lasses not to expose him does not work since there was way to care for him without bluntly exposing him, and the one lass was not asked to keep any secrets any way. So, as it turns out, those two lasses did not care if lad would be killed, despite the show trying to depict it as opposite;

13) main hero, a war strategist, leaves his duty to help a child for reason that even he does not not know in the beginning (to save yellow-haired NPC magician) -- not believable;

14) the party says that the lad has pulse, but if so, then the fact that they can not heal him is nonsensical -- the more so after main strategist lad has added mana;

15) player fighters should have go to Goblin King's cave and kill him while his troops are away; the excuse that regular goblins would just go on rampage is not convincing: in such games murdering top boss is usually the way. Besides, goblins are always on rampage anyway -- they are attacking either there is a king or not;

16) the main lad was made to behave badly towards NPC princess for a non-convincing reason just to invent at least some drama -- obvious seam in the storytelling;

17) second series starts with ridiculous strain of invented drama with monthly fees for owning city buildings all of sudden becoming twice bigger than the price of purchase;

18) characters are sad that they miss Christmas with their families, but it is ridiculous that authors suppose that players forgot the difference in speed of time (which is, as it was explained earlier, unreal, but still);

19) one of players talks to main lad that the lass he asked to protect NPC princess "is working hard" while all she is doing is jumping everywhere to watch how others train, instead of being around the NPC princess and actually protecting her;

20) it was stupid to commence with the raid in the city against crazy "defender" before his source of magic was turned off; makes no sense;

21) the magical circle was turned off, but somehow they forgot to turn it on -- stupid;

22) at one point a party that has stormed undergrounds with huge gold was defeated, and everyone all of sudden has started talking about how useless this effort was. This is nonsense because players get experience and level up, and also because they have defeated few top monster bosses there, and got the best loot from them. So even if they do not complete the raid, the effort was totally useful;

23) a little lass is sad about returning to real world because she loves to see cat-man, but it makes no sense as no one would forbid her from logging in the game from time to time and contacting to/playing with cat-man;

24) one of guild masters that teaches little NPC prince sword fighting does it wrong way: at no time he should hit so hard that boy's wooden sword would be thrown away off his hands;

1) relations between many characters are not believable since players do not revere each other so much; at best, they are pals and think that some other plays are cool, but nothing like this show depicts;

2) this project has cliche interactions such as "pervert" lad versus annoyingly violent and yet subservient lass (I hate such characters because they are so plentiful in all kinds of anime and insulting to women), though she is cute otherwise (pony-tail assassin);

4) it is sad that adult young lass (pony-tail assassin) had to be turned into a immature ten years old child avatar to response paedophilic fetishes of some of the audience; make her taller at last;

7) characters talk to themselves aloud;

8) main hero is supposedly good, but he has hid from large crowd of players that they loose part of their memory when they die -- otherwise they would not be so eager to participate in pointless (for them) war with goblins;

9) main hero is so "smart" strategist that children always surprise him with ideas to such as to attack goblins first -- and this is a moment when "adults" make round eyes only to think "wow, not bad idea" later;

10) despite many central characters have reached level 90, they show no interest in progressing to level 100 -- not convincing;

12) with the main lad, authors went overboard with his childhood where he has spent nights in a yard, while more believable version would be him playing video games (as he is gamer-escapist);

13) elf guild master has split personality disorder: he talks to himself, disputes; needs to attend medical professionals;

14) the little lad of the youth party once got all of sudden very annoying towards one of "suicide" players; it was none of his business, the "suiciders" were fine;

15) main lad's musing on whether players have to return to their original world is ridiculous, as, of course, nearly all of15 players want that, it is not a question, despite how it is portrayed in this show;

16) it is funny when characters come in in panic and scream "Trouble!" and "The city!.." -- no one talks like that in real situation as it makes no sense, it does not convey any information. In urgent situations, it would be stupid to waste time for useless talk, you'd get right to the point;

6) princess' pyjama looks nothing like those fit for the era of that type of clothing;

7) glasses design does not fit the fashion time line;

The show is 48 episodes-long (both seasons), but it would lose all the irrelevant, useless, boring filler, it would take like 39 episodes.

This show is way over-rated in ANN database voting due to the theme being "popular" among viewers. Also, the second season is better than the first one, both content and execution-wise, while the rating supposes opposite. Overall, the first season deserves between "Decent" and "Good", and the second season between "Good" and "Very good".

This series is also not really finished; and whether it will ever be, is doubtful.

1) On speed of time: please see my reply to DuskyPredator on that;

2) On losing memories: yes, they did state that memories are lost of original world, not just any random memories;

3) On currency: also, please see above;

4) On travel methods: yes, I know about the gates, but it has nothing do with what I meant by teleportation in modern RPGs: you can teleport to countless points on the map, you do not need any gates for that;

5) On rules against abusing beginners: I mean those that do not depend on manual, human-driven moderation, but the set of incentives and disincentives that make things like transferring things like your free mana or health potions to anyone else either pricey, or automatically penalized, or impossible;

6) On scale of the world: my point was that it is not believable that developers would want to make world with 1:2 scale. It is too close to 1:1; they would much more likely to go full-scale rather than this weird 1:2 scale;

7) On taste: if you can not smell, then you can only taste bitter, sweet, salty, sour, "umami", and nothing else;

8) On buying buildings: even if it was impossible to buy buildings in the actual game, the possibility that locked in this world play ers would not discover it (at least out of boredom) nears zero;

9) On character development: classy projects do not need loads of irrelevant boring filler for world-building;

10) On representation of NPCs: again, there are a lot of them in the city, so excluding their representation from council was an injustice.