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Asako



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:28 pm Reply with quote
Has anyone seen this in Borders?



I guess they made a section just for "otaku" items. Or is this a exclusive to particular stores. They seem to have boxed figures, posters, a few wall scrolls, and CLAMP Kiseki files, in that section. Could it be that this term is already coined in this type of way?
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Subaru19



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:39 pm Reply with quote
Kill me now.

I really think people have to rethink that term. Please please don't make Otaku a common word in the English lexicon. Please! I'll swear off anime for the rest of my life if that happens.

Seriously though I guess that means that the word's gone mainstream. People are realizing that anime and anime merchandise sell.
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Truered



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:44 pm Reply with quote
Well I enjoy calling myself Otaku without no one realizing what it means. But I'd kill for a section like that in a store. As I've said before, in my town we have one tiny manga stand and one store (HMV) that sells anime. Well at a reasonable price anyway.

There's still some life left in the term I think.
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Kyuriko



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:45 pm Reply with quote
I have yet to see it in a local Borders, so it is probably particular to certain stores, perhaps depending on how many anime and manga fans stroll through the store. I don't think it's a term they should use to describe that section, especially since everyone has different opinions about whether or not they find otaku a derogatory term or whether to wear it as a title of honor. Why not just refer to the section as "manga" since that's something everybody already knows anyway?

I'm personally praying that my Borders never renames their manga section to that, because I'm one of the people who find otaku to have a negative connotation attached. Not necessarily because of the Miyazaki incident, since this isn't Japan, but because it's a term that tends to be associated with the annoyingly obsessive and obnoxious anime and manga fans, and I'd rather not be lumped with them, due to personal experience. Not everyone who calls themselves an otaku is obnoxious, of course, but I haven't found too many good impressions save for the few who have posted in this thread.

EDIT. People seem to be taking my post the wrong way, and derogatory was probably a strong term, so I changed it. Didn't mean to offend, but it's a personal opinion. I guess it really depends on the person who calls themselves the word rather than the word itself?


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Asako



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:54 pm Reply with quote
Ahh no, they didn't rename the section "Otaku Items", they still have it named Graphic Novels and Manga.

The Otaku Items is a section apart from the manga. With the figures and stuff.
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P€|\||§_|\/|ast@



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:26 pm Reply with quote
I think the word "otaku" (in this case) is taken as just another buzzword that has infiltrated our society as a marketing gimmick. There was a time when you didn't even see the word "anime" or "manga" on store shelves and the more common term (now totally obsolete) to distinguish Japanese made entertainment from American made entertainment was "Japanimation." Personally, I think the outcry from fans to remove the word Japanimation from everyday use is far more legitimate than the criticism of the word otaku. Otaku can mean many different things to many people and remember, it's just a word, originally a Japanese word and so was "anime."
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:35 pm Reply with quote
Past wrote:
I think the word "otaku" (in this case) is taken as just another buzzword that has infiltrated our society as a marketing gimmick. There was a time when you didn't even see the word "anime" or "manga" on store shelves and the more common term (now totally obsolete) to distinguish Japanese made entertainment from American made entertainment was "Japanimation." Personally, I think the outcry from fans to remove the word Japanimation from everyday use is far more legitimate than the criticism of the word otaku. Otaku can mean many different things to many people and remember, it's just a word, originally a Japanese word and so was "anime."
Regarding "Japanimation" as a term, I listened to the most recent Anime Today podcast from Rightstuf, and they had John O'Donnell from CPM on there. He said that "Japanimation" was a term that came into use because nobody in the retail world knew the term "anime" or even how to pronounce it. Luckily since it's more widely known now, "Japanimation" should eventually fall out of use. Ironically it got "reverse imported" back in to Japanese, as O'Donnell explained, and as seen in episode 17 of Excel Saga.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:44 pm Reply with quote
Another interesting thing to note about the word Japanimation is that its use became fairly common in Japan. Since (in Japan) the word anime refers to all animation and because it's naturally trendy since the words Japan and Animation are both English words. They just combined the two words to come up with a term that refers specifically to what we in North America call anime. Kind of ironic since fans in America deemed the word Japanimation rather insulting and derogatory, the Japanese were using it themselves (kind of the reverse of what treatment the word otaku gets)

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Viga_of_stars



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:58 pm Reply with quote
Otaku items...whoa.

I just been to borders today and didn't notice. it might not be so in the largo borders.

anyway i wouldnt care if they did. i know the history of the word otaku and its uses and the fact that some think its a derogatory term and some think its just an adopted word from the japanese like anime.

me. i just think its another subculture label like punk or emo. nothing more nothing less. I just want to buy stuff i like.

hell. 5 bucks on the punk section or preppy section. Rolling Eyes
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Amasa



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:33 pm Reply with quote
I think people exagerate the Japanese definition of Otaku or the true Japanese definition has changed as well.
I had two of my Japanese schoolfriends (here in Japan) ask me whether I was an Otaku when I recognized their cellphone ringtone as the Lucky Star OP song. These two girls are far from the more generalized geeky image Japanese anime fans are given, in fact they're probably the last people in my school who I'd expect to be Otaku (ie. they're pretty much the archetypes of the new "younger generation"). Knowing from anime forums that the Japanese definition of Otaku is more of an insult than not I denied their accusations but they laughed it off in a friendly way and told me that I was an Otaku without sounding as if they were teasing me. So now I've conlcuded that Otaku should be adopted by the wider anime community since it seems the Japanese fans have already, whether they're stereotypes or not, as these two friends of mine have proved.
To be honest, even if the truth was that Otaku was derogatory I think I would still call myself an Otaku only because "Anime Fan" sounds so much worse in my opinion. I'd like to have a general name I can label myself as an avid viewer of anime and I don't see any other option.

On the other hand, I've seen two separate documentaries on TV which followed a mentally unstable 19 year old girl around Tokyo as she added to her absolutely massive collection of anime costumes and figurines. The documentary was not exactly kind in it's portrayal of an "otaku" so I'm not sure what to think. Obviously school students wouldn't be watching the documentary so it's safe to say that different people in Japan view anime fans differently.
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Subaru19



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:48 pm Reply with quote
Amasa wrote:
I think people exagerate the Japanese definition of Otaku or the true Japanese definition has changed as well.
I had two of my Japanese schoolfriends (here in Japan) ask me whether I was an Otaku when I recognized their cellphone ringtone as the Lucky Star OP song. These two girls are far from the more generalized geeky image Japanese anime fans are given, in fact they're probably the last people in my school who I'd expect to be Otaku (ie. they're pretty much the archetypes of the new "younger generation"). Knowing from anime forums that the Japanese definition of Otaku is more of an insult than not I denied their accusations but they laughed it off in a friendly way and told me that I was an Otaku without sounding as if they were teasing me. So now I've conlcuded that Otaku should be adopted by the wider anime community since it seems the Japanese fans have already, whether they're stereotypes or not, as these two friends of mine have proved.
To be honest, even if the truth was that Otaku was derogatory I think I would still call myself an Otaku only because "Anime Fan" sounds so much worse in my opinion. I'd like to have a general name I can label myself as an avid viewer of anime and I don't see any other option.

On the other hand, I've seen two separate documentaries on TV which followed a mentally unstable 19 year old girl around Tokyo as she added to her absolutely massive collection of anime costumes and figurines. The documentary was not exactly kind in it's portrayal of an "otaku" so I'm not sure what to think. Obviously school students wouldn't be watching the documentary so it's safe to say that different people in Japan view anime fans differently.


I think it's probably like the word "dork" in English. Most people I know wouldn't want to be called it, but there are plenty of people out there who wouldn't mind being called it. That or geek. But I think that you just have to be careful that's all. I'm sure there's a time and a place for otaku when it's perfectly fine.As someone whose ranted and raved a bit about the subject on the forum, I just object to people who have no idea what the cultural context for the word is "adopting" it to fit their own preconceived ideas about Japanese culture...
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Kyuriko



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:11 pm Reply with quote
Past wrote:
Otaku can mean many different things to many people and remember, it's just a word, originally a Japanese word and so was "anime."


I know it does, and I'm one of the people who would just rather not be referred to as one. (shrug) Maybe derogatory was the wrong term, but everyone has their own mental image of a certain type of fan when it comes to the word.
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jgreen



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:33 am Reply with quote
Zalis116 wrote:
Regarding "Japanimation" as a term, I listened to the most recent Anime Today podcast from Rightstuf, and they had John O'Donnell from CPM on there. He said that "Japanimation" was a term that came into use because nobody in the retail world knew the term "anime" or even how to pronounce it. Luckily since it's more widely known now, "Japanimation" should eventually fall out of use. Ironically it got "reverse imported" back in to Japanese, as O'Donnell explained, and as seen in episode 17 of Excel Saga.


I personally liked the term "Japanimation" a lot, but that's probably because I started using it when I was watching Voltron at age 7 or so. I've also always liked the weird combo words like that that smoosh two words together to form a new one. *shrugs*
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Ichigo77



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:10 am Reply with quote
I was at Borders today and didn't see anything which is surprising since the manga section at my borders is always full of people. I don't find Otaku an offensive word and I somewhat consider myself one. I bet this section is just a marketing thing and they are going to put all the main Otaku titles on that shelf to boost them. Maybe put all the popular titles that most otakus read so they can easily grab them instead of trying to look around and add all the other stuff too.
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banas



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:50 am Reply with quote
Otaku for me is neither "derogatory" nor an "honor". Anyway, it's the people's choice if they'll think of an Otaku as that. Regarding the Otaku section...well, even if they put thousands of that section all over the world, it wouldn't change what you want to buy if you really like to buy something. Maybe it's just a gimmick to get more people to buy their stuff, but what the heck should you care about a simple label anyway??? What you want is the STUFF, not the NAME.
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