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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:28 am
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No reports on what the arcade experience is even like or what you do in it? Is it even a game? (I'm assuming so.)
I wonder if it'll get localized into English. I'm sure this would work really well at places like Chuck E. Cheese's and Dave and Buster's. If so, this wil be a small little boost to help the sagging Capcom.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:04 am
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If it were to be localized into English, I don't even how much profit the American arcade game market is today.
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:14 am
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Kadmos1 wrote: | If it were to be localized into English, I don't even how much profit the American arcade game market is today. |
I think the only way it'll come to the West is if they port it to Wii U or 3DS (assuming the content is drastically different to either of the previous games). There really is very little money to be made in video game arcades outside of Japan.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:19 pm
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Kadmos1 wrote: | If it were to be localized into English, I don't even how much profit the American arcade game market is today. |
Most of it is coming from family entertainment centers (as far as video games are, anyway), though there are a lot of movie theaters and shopping malls that still have a few arcade machines scattered about. Casinos will always have an arcade as a place for parents to drop their kids off at, and laundromats are almost guaranteed to have a few, though they tend to be used machines. Pizza restaurants are likely to have at least two or three; chains like Round Table Pizza pride themselves on their mini-arcades.
Basically, any establishment where customers are expected to wait about 15 to 30 minutes (or more) will have these things around to pass the time. How likely they'll be to have a new release like Luigi's Mansion, on the other hand, is a different story entirely, and is restricted to those family entertainment centers, movie theaters, and particularly profitable pizza restaurants. An experience-type arcade machine is more appealing to operators of these places, as they cannot be easily replicated in the home console (as can be seen with the success of Let's Go Jungle).
Also, bar-arcade hybrids like 1-Up and Blipsy's have popped up pretty recently (the informal term is a "barcade," but that's trademarked). They have particular styles though, with the majority of them leaning towards retro arcade games, so arcade manufacturers don't really see them as that much of a priority. Think Litwak's Arcade from Wreck-It-Ralph at the beginning of the movie, only with a bar inside of it and only allows those at or above legal age to drink alcohol to enter.
The real money comes from claw machines and its close cousins like Key Master, however. Those are everywhere I go.
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Primus
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:06 pm
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I don't believe Capcom still runs an arcade business in the west. I remember reading reports of arcades having to import SFIV cabinets from Japan themselves.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:17 pm
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Unless they have English-language options for the game and English-only artwork for the exterior, I'm pretty sure localized Street Fighter IV arcade machines do exist. They're constant favorites.
Of course, considering Capcom's fallen on hard times since Street Fighter IV, perhaps they don't make them anymore.
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CoreSignal
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:36 pm
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | Basically, any establishment where customers are expected to wait about 15 to 30 minutes (or more) will have these things around to pass the time. How likely they'll be to have a new release like Luigi's Mansion, on the other hand, is a different story entirely, and is restricted to those family entertainment centers, movie theaters, and particularly profitable pizza restaurants. |
If they ever localize it, this'll probably be the main obstacle, if any arcade or entertainment center will actually buy one. The last couple times I saw arcade machines were mostly retro stuff or driving, light gun games like you said. Stand-alone arcades in the US seem to be pretty much dead or they're part of hybrid bar/restaurant Barcades now.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:07 pm
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There are still a decent amount of places where arcade machines can be found. I got myself into pinball last year and decided to start scouring southern California for places that may have pinball machines, which would naturally lead me to find many MORE places with arcade video games. Most of them are not arcades, though Chuck E. Cheese's and Dave & Buster's seem to have stabilized somewhat financially.
The price would be the biggest concern, and if it's a small place like a pizza restaurant, the space such a machine would demand. That's why those old-beaten up Neo-Geo arcade cabinets are all over the place: You can buy one for $100 if you're good enough at searching online. This Luigi's Mansion thing looks like it'll cost upwards of $7,000, which would be a big turn-off.
I've looked into the dwindling arcade scene in the United States as part of that pinball hunt, and I found out that arcade owners have by and large joined together. That is, they're no longer competing, but cooperating, a kind of emergency hibernation mode, riding out these times in hopes that arcades will rise up again. Some of these barcades have come about because of those coalitions, and some of them have taken to just putting their arcade machines at non-arcade locations and spending their time with maintenance work.
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CoreSignal
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:32 pm
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | There are still a decent amount of places where arcade machines can be found. I got myself into pinball last year and decided to start scouring southern California for places that may have pinball machines, which would naturally lead me to find many MORE places with arcade video games. Most of them are not arcades, though Chuck E. Cheese's and Dave & Buster's seem to have stabilized somewhat financially. |
I guess I meant that arcades aren't growing but yeah, arcades are still around and at this point they're pretty much being maintained or remaing stable.
leafy sea dragon wrote: | I found out that arcade owners have by and large joined together. That is, they're no longer competing, but cooperating, a kind of emergency hibernation mode, riding out these times in hopes that arcades will rise up again. Some of these barcades have come about because of those coalitions, and some of them have taken to just putting their arcade machines at non-arcade locations and spending their time with maintenance work. |
I also think that most arcade owners are starting to realize there's a strong community for arcade enthusiasts that's all about the experience and games rather than financial success.
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Minami-Asakura
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:33 pm
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Pretty boring 3ds game, I gave up after some 5 hours, so simple, so kid level.
I dont see what people see in the countless marios/luigis, yoshi games, I try them and I find them so boring, sure I played mario as a kid, by lack of alternative more than anything else, mario kart si indeed fun with other player thou, but the marios, luigis, mario rpgs...cannot get into them.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:32 pm
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Super Mario games are always about simplicity and beginner accessibility. They are also very refined and polished, and any Mario title that isn't a numbered sequel (and some that are) are trying to do something different to the genre.
In order to understand why you dislike something, you must look at something you DO like that's similar, then see what's different about them. Among those will be the reasons you dislike that former thing.
CoreSignal wrote: | I also think that most arcade owners are starting to realize there's a strong community for arcade enthusiasts that's all about the experience and games rather than financial success. |
Yeah, arcades that aren't family amusement centers now exist for the people who just like being in an arcade. I think some of them operate at a loss.
There are also a few that cater to fans of a particular genre, most commonly fighting games. They move from place to place, but most major population centers in North America have at least one as a gathering place for players of that genre. These function more like clubs, though most often, everyone is welcome because they need as many people putting quarters/tokens/credits into these machines as they can.
I also almost forgot a MAJOR source of arcade machines: Bowling alleys. Every single bowling alley I've visited has an arcade, and they have the space and money necessary for an experience-type arcade machine. The size of the arcade varies, from something the size of your typical public restroom to a cavern that has 70+ arcade machines, four air hockey tables, and its own ticket redemption counter.
One last thought: Pac-Man Battle Royale was localized for western audiences and sold well, despite it being HUGE, bigger than that Luigi's Mansion thing, and probably more expensive.
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Kadmos1
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:15 pm
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Were this the 80s-early 90s, I could see it making more money here.
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Primus
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:14 pm
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | Unless they have English-language options for the game and English-only artwork for the exterior, I'm pretty sure localized Street Fighter IV arcade machines do exist. They're constant favorites.
Of course, considering Capcom's fallen on hard times since Street Fighter IV, perhaps they don't make them anymore. |
Ah, I was confused. The original arcade version of Street Fighter IV never left Japan, but Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition did.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:28 pm
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Oh, is that what they are? They kind of get jumbled up in my head, since also common in arcades I've visited are Japanese Street Fighter IV vanilla versions and Japanese Super Street Fighter IV. A large arcade I frequently visit also just got a Japanese Ultra Street Fighter IV arcade machine. There's always someone playing at least one of the four of them they have.
It's Capcom's habit of constantly remaking instead of updating. (Considering Capcom's past collaborations with Nintendo, however, I don't think it will happen with Luigi's Mansion. Imagine seeing a Super Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap.)
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CoreSignal
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 1:13 am
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | There are also a few that cater to fans of a particular genre, most commonly fighting games. They move from place to place, but most major population centers in North America have at least one as a gathering place for players of that genre. These function more like clubs, though most often, everyone is welcome because they need as many people putting quarters/tokens/credits into these machines as they can. |
In addition to fighting games, I'd also add music/rhythm games. Most arcades I've seen in the past couple years have at least half of the room dedicated to fighting games or rhythm games. There was one arcade I went to where you could buy a "one day pass" of sorts, where you'd pay a one time fee for free play the entire day. I thought it was a great idea.
leafy sea dragon wrote: | I also almost forgot a MAJOR source of arcade machines: Bowling alleys. Every single bowling alley I've visited has an arcade, |
Same here, for some strange reason, every bowling alley I've been to as well, always has at least two or three machines. I might also put in college campuses. At least in California, several schools I've visited will usually have a small game room or center sometimes.
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