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Brand
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I just wanted to say I do think it is possible to do deeper storytelling with a short form cartoon. Adventure Time (which might amount to 10 minutes) has done an amazing job creating a ton of interesting back story to the world and characters.
So, I totally don't think the issue is the length of time but the more of the purpose of these short anime. Which seems more like a slap-dash way to fill up time. |
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Lord Geo
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-I'm going to say that I think Zac is overstating the animation for World Trigger. It's low-budget, sure, but I thought it worked fine for what it was, which is an early-morning (6:30 am) Sunday program. It's not aired in prime time or a slightly later morning program, both of which tend to get the higher-budget animation for TV, so it's obvious that the animation budget will be lower. But, to be fair, I tend to put my average expectations for the actual animation in anime to be lower-budget, simply because that's been one of anime's M.O.s since the start. Therefore, I put World Trigger's animation down as maybe a little less-than-average instead of "some of the worst of the modern age". But, hey, what do I know, right? When I watch an anime I'm caring more for the story, characters, & enjoyment I get out of watching it than the animation itself. I'll still appreciate it when the animation is exquisite & beautiful, but I'm not going to think less of a show simply because the animation is subpar; I would have never seen a number of shows I ended up really liking if I did that.
As for Parasyte, I'm positive the excellent animation is simply because the anime is part of a larger multimedia push, which includes the upcoming live-action movies, so naturally Madhouse has more money to put towards it than Toei put towards an early-morning production that isn't aimed at people who tend to care much about how beautiful the actual animation is. Regardless, the first episode of Parasyte was really cool, and I'm glad it got an anime adaptation. I've wanted to read the manga numerous times before, but never got around to it, so the anime looks to be the perfect option for me. -My question about stuff that you once hated but then later liked was more of a general question than an actual "name something specific" type of question, and I really liked the answers Zac & Justin gave. It is such a rare idea, but I would have to imagine that it's happened to people before. -In regards to sports series, I do see that there are two ways to execute it: Strong Character Drama or Strong Sports Action. There is some overlap between them, but usually it comes down to one of them being the major focus. Something like Touch, Slam Dunk, or even Ashita no Joe is a character drama, with sports being the way conflict is handled, while something like Prince of Tennis, Haikyuu, or Hajime no Ippo is going to be focused more on the intensity of the matches. Personally, I like either execution, but for some people they will definitely like one style over the other. For example, I loved watching all of Ashita no Joe 2 (a.k.a. Champion Joe 2) this year on CrunchyRoll, but I love it for slightly different reasons than why I love Hajime no Ippo or Ring ni Kakero 1. Sure, all have awesome boxing matches & both have extremely memorable characters, but Joe is very much about seeing how the characters develop as people, both in & out of the ring, while Ippo or RnK are more about seeing the characters grow by way of their fights. The latter two shows do feature out-of-ring character development, but simply watching either show makes it obvious that they are very much about their sport of choice (boxing), while Joe could have worked very well with it being focused around a different sport, with only minor alterations needed to accommodate the change. I do find it interesting how much Justin vehemently hates Major, when everywhere else I look the general reaction is that it's one of the absolute best sports anime of all time, featuring a strong story arc detailing the life of Goro from kid to pro baseball player, memorable characters, and tons of great baseball. I haven't seen it myself yet, though two of my friends absolutely loved all of it, but I do find a certain curiosity between the general crowd reaction of extreme love & Justin's strong negative feelings regarding it. I know Justin more than likely doesn't think about it this way, but it's almost like a case of "People don't know what's good for them". |
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Angel M Cazares
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Nice to hear from you guys. The podcast was very fun. I think it is a great idea to have a survey to determine what series to cover in the daily stream. 20 shows sounds like a more than enough amount to cover.
And I agree with Zac's take on Terror in Resonance. I still want to own it mostly for its good, old school anime feel, but truly, a lot of wasted potential. |
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unitmikey
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I haven’t quite finished TIR (which I was literally going to do today), but wow it just seems like everyone thinks it went downhill towards the end to nothing. It also sucks more because I haven’t even heard any opinions in opposition (like with people that thought the ending for Eden of the East tv was bad).
And with the five-minute or so shows… I just don’t see them as being necessary. This is more or less what seems to be a format of slice-of-life (or whatever) that has just been chopped up and bookend. I would probably consider watching them more had they just put them all together to make a regular length episode. But the fact that it is specifically for a block kind of enlightens me as it being a marketing strategy to get people into more than just one show at a time. |
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Parsifal24
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Is regards to Sailor Moon Crystal I'm one of those people who realley wanted it to be good, yet what we are getting I don't know if it's faliure in exicution or the odd production schedule. It's just hard to watch also the 2000s were kind of an odd dumping ground for series.
As far as TIR goes 11 episodes, is not enough to go in depth about Terrorism I don't theink the ending is awful but it leaves more questions than asnwers. While the answers it gives are not very satisifying it does give one pause to think though and I'm all for something that causes you to think about something important. |
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Megiddo
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It really worries me to hear these two praise only adrenaline pumping sports anime. It seems the slower-paced and more character-centered anime are now mocked. Truly disappointing, but I guess it's just the popular sentiment now. Why bother writing enjoyable characters when you can have speed action scenes I suppose.
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Tanteikingdomkey
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I would say that is not quite as true, I mean baby step has been getting quite a bit of popularity from what I have seen. |
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David.Seth
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I don't think they only like the adrenaline pumping sports shows, but even if they did, how does that lead to people mocking the slower-paced/character driven shows? Not everyone can watch slow paced anime. I don't mind it, but I can understand why some dont like it. Also, if I recall correctly Cross Game (a somewhat recent, slow paced, character driven sports anime) was well received by most who watched it, and it got great reviews on ANN as well (though Theron did knock it a bit for being a little to slow). |
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DerekTheRed
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Touch! is a glacially paced masterpiece, and it was one of the earliest Buried Treasure articles Justin wrote, and IIRC he put it at number 2 on his 80s list when they did that ANNCast special a couple years ago.
It's also my all-time favorite. Everybody go find fansubs. |
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Shadowrun20XX
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I think people thought they were fans of Haruhi when they were simply just fans of KyoAni. Time has told us so.
Never did see FREE! but if Amagi Brilliant Park has anything to say, its an apology for it. Heh. I won't write it off our other fans, they gotta get a piece too. Two cours proves it was something good. Or a mistake like Chaika. Ooops. 
The U.S. is the super power of the world. Its hard for Japan to come back. I have noticed little pop shots they take at us on the sidelines. like: 
That means USA surrenders. Hilarious. For them. Saturday morning cartoons were great. Cartoons on all the time. The babysitter of our generation? It was something that I thought would last forever. Lol. At 33 I can say, it didn't. I'm I sad? well who left remembers cares? Nobody. Zac, I gotta say thanks for the mp3 downloads for ANN. If it's out of the way, it is much appreciated. What about Weiß Kreuz. Beta or Weiss? WTF? Sailor Moon Crystal is excellent, we need more to appreciate it. I've seen all of it so... Y'all too hung up on graphics. come on. It truly doesn't hold up in this era really. Mermaids forest is forever.(To me) All of Takahashi's stuff is period driven. Not really for everyone. Holy Crap. Kimlinger is gone? Great guy, fun while it lasted. Miku needed more than that crappy performance. |
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taster of pork
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Hope the bad judo anime Justin mentioned isn't Yawara.
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Shadowrun20XX
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That is the first thing we all thought. He has weird tastes so you know. The Judo girl was great.
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danilo07
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I completely disagree about Gone Girl, that movie was bad on almost every aspect. To me it is misogynistic, trashy but ultimately very mediocre film. The commentary on media culture was not only shallow, but it was also really wrong ( of course, every TV station is going to get behind a woman who claims spoiler[ that she was raped by a rich white person], even if her story was completely illogical). I also didn't appreciate Fincher's direction, while his earlier films had dark and gritty atmosphere, Gone Girl felt like a car commercial. The directorial style was formulaic, with patronizing level of literalism.
It also had to do with a fact that Tadashi Hiramatsu was the animation director for the episode and he even brought a lot of his talented friends to work with him. I am totally expecting a huge drop in animation quality by the time second episode airs. |
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I disagree with Zac about Zankyou no Terror. Despite its title and the premise, the show ends up being more a character study of Nine, Twelve and Lisa against a political backdrop than a political show about nationalism or militarization. The effect on Nine and Twelve of their experiences with the project are mirrored with Lisa's disassociation from society to allow these discarded youths to reclaim a sense of self by asserting their desire to protect and respect one another's humanity when society has trampled it. That's why a large part of the emotional conflict in the show centers around the tension between Nine and Twelve over how to treat Lisa, with Nine representing a profound idealism at the potential sacrifice of his own humanity and Twelve learning to embrace his own humanity through allowing himself to become involved with Lisa.
Five only makes sense as a character if you understand this to be the central theme of the show. Five's actions at first appear politically motivated and kind of nonsensical as a result but it's revealed over time that her motivations are entirely personal and deeply tragic at that. If politics are relevant at all thematically to the show, it's in the contrast between political machination and human value, and the ways in which the two are often at odds with one another. |
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dm
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The mention of Gone Girl reminds me: hey, Zac, when you're mentioning the titles of things, could you speak up? When you say, "The movie I really liked that I saw recently was <gmbmdldl>", I find myself having to go back two or three times to catch the titles.
Really good directors can do a good job with short-form series --- I think Mahou shoujotai-Arus (Tweeny Witches) from Studio 4C, which was originally released as ten-minute episodes (part of a larger show), made excellent use of its time constraints. I can see that getting a weekly write-up. Yami shibai's length is perfect for its creepy stories (once you figure out the point, there's not much reason to continue). On the other hand, Yami shibai is not a show you'd want to read about, since that would probably spoil the creepiness. |
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