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Calculusman



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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:23 pm Reply with quote
Since I didn't see this listed as a news item on the front page...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18628579/site/newsweek/

Looks good.

Did a post on it on my blog:

http://anime.calculusman.com/2007/05/17/500/

Some good quotes:

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A few days later, with far less fanfare, “Paprika,” the work of Japanese animé master Satoshi Kon, will also be unveiled. It happens to be one of the most wildly (and disturbingly) inventive animated films I’ve seen, but will anyone notice?


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There’s no reason the imaginative freedom that animation allows shouldn’t be unleashed on adult themes, especially when graphic novels have entered the literary mainstream and when CGI has blurred the line between live action and animation in films like “300.” Outside the United States, animators are not so likely to be confined to the ghetto of kiddie movies. Think of the marvelously macabre French hand-drawn gem “The Triplets of Belleville,” or the work of the Czech director Jan Svankmajer (”Alice,” “Faust”). Or, most conspicuously, Japanese animé, which is as likely to be made for 30-year-olds as for tots.


It's kinda nice when someone elevates movies like Paprika (which I haven't seen but want to) over supposed summer blockbusters like Shrek the Third.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:30 pm Reply with quote
Always nice to see anime hit the news publications for praise rather than to find something to blame for the latest pedophile caught with anime on his computer. On another note though I actually like a lot of the US animated "kiddie" movies, they have a certain charm to them that animated films pushing adult themes tend to lack. There's really room out there for both to co-exist. Oh, and I also enjoy Shrek and will likely be seeing the third in theaters.
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Calculusman



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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:32 pm Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
Always nice to see anime hit the news publications for praise rather than to find something to blame for the latest pedophile caught with anime on his computer. On another note though I actually like a lot of the US animated "kiddie" movies, they have a certain charm to them that animated films pushing adult themes tend to lack. There's really room out there for both to co-exist. Oh, and I also enjoy Shrek and will likely be seeing the third in theaters.


Yeah, I don't think his beef that they were making kiddie cartoons here, but that that's basically ONLY what they make for the large part.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:55 pm Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
Always nice to see anime hit the news publications for praise rather than to find something to blame for the latest pedophile caught with anime on his computer. On another note though I actually like a lot of the US animated "kiddie" movies, they have a certain charm to them that animated films pushing adult themes tend to lack.


I too watch a decent amount of "kiddie" animation and while I find that a lot of kiddie animation do have some funny thing there way too into jokes that cool at moment. I don't mind a little bit here and there but when your movie is stuff full them and won't be relative (or relatable to kids in future generation) when you attempt to watch them 20 years down when you have kids. Whereas the old classic of Disney such as Lion King (Aka Kimba the white lion) and basically anything predating that, can be watched by anyone and still enjoy them. In fact I did that, once a week I was showing my friend (who sadly never saw any disney films as a child) a different classic Disney film and I'd say that I enjoy easily 90% of them.

As for Paprika it's nice to see that it's getting a nice little write up seeing as how it really is a great film and really deserve the press. I am bit worried that it won't be playing anywhere near me but I can hope, I mean Naruto is playing 10 minutes from my house.
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Nerv1



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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 8:44 pm Reply with quote
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Yet in this country we think of animation only as child's play


Yeah, it's true in for all of the animated movies we see here in the US. I've read that the animated movies Titan A.E. and Atlantis the Lost Empire (which came out in early '00 and '01) tried to make more people interested in animated movies with adult(ish) themes but they were both unsucessful with viewers and the critics. Maybe animated features created in the US aren't meant to have adult themes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:31 pm Reply with quote
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Yet in this country we think of animation only as child's play


Yeah, it's true in for all of the animated movies we see here in the US.


Did you ever see the Iron Giant? That was actually a nice little animated feature that has both likeable to adults and younger children. Although it was critically well received the kids just never got around to seeing it. And with that the end of the old hand drawn age of animation, well there were some other films after but they weren't all that great.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:48 pm Reply with quote
Deltakiral wrote:
Nerv1 wrote:
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Yet in this country we think of animation only as child's play


Yeah, it's true in for all of the animated movies we see here in the US.


Did you ever see the Iron Giant? That was actually a nice little animated feature that has both likeable to adults and younger children. Although it was critically well received the kids just never got around to seeing it. And with that the end of the old hand drawn age of animation, well there were some other films after but they weren't all that great.


Oh yeah, I've seen that movie before, it was a bit weird but it was rather entertaining(the ending almost made me cry), if only they could still make movies like the Iron Giant...
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Whatever the reason, to find an animated feature that isn't "family entertainment" you have to go outside the mainstream to Richard Linklater's experiments in morphing live actors into animated figures in "Waking Life" and "A Scanner Darkly." Neither made a dime,


They were shot on the cheap and had a high per-theater average.

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Think of the marvelously macabre French hand-drawn gem "The Triplets of Belleville,"


Um, Belleville's like every retro kiddie cartoon before it, but with animal abuse.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:56 am Reply with quote
I don't think it's entirely that movies are kid oriented but also that any animated attempts to cater towards the adult crowd rely solely on comedy. More recent animated films have tended to be more adult friendly, however they are adult friendly only with comedy, none really ever seem to take it further than that. While comedy is nice and all it tends to be a bit hollow and lacks depth or meaning, great for a laugh but doesn't really make you think or immerse you in a story.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 4:30 am Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
While comedy is nice and all it tends to be a bit hollow and lacks depth or meaning, great for a laugh but doesn't really make you think or immerse you in a story.


I plan on seeing Shrek the third sometime in the next week and I think that statement really is how I feel about going to see the movie. I am sure there will be some laugh that I am going to enjoy and there will be some over the top stuff that the children won't get, but I am not expecting anything deep.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:19 pm Reply with quote
Very nice article.

I have ruminated many times on what it would take for Americans to start appreciating animation, and don't feel like getting into it here and now. I'll hold out hope for Paprika doing well in the theater, what with the good PR it will receive from Newsday.

But I will say that it's a shame when something like "A Scanner Darkly" is supposed to turn people onto animation. I mean, it's not even animated (it's literally rotoscoped, which is not the same as when the Fleischers used rotoscoping as the motion model for a character but changed their appearance and detail level). You might as well watch a movie that's simply been filtered to remove 7 out of eight colors. And Linklater doesn't know a damn thing about animation or how to utlilize it as a director.
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