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dtm42
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:32 pm
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I consider Log Horizon to have four main strengths:
1): It obviously has a great love and respect for MMORPGs and knows such games inside out and back to front. This is the first "set inside a computer game" anime where the game in question is so realistic, plausible and generally well-conceived that it could pass as an actual game in the real world.
2): The NPCs are relevant, important and interesting. They matter, not only with respect to the plot but to us as well. We care about them. We want their village to be saved. We want the princess to rally the Adventurers and become the leader she was born to be. We want the Adventurers and the nicer People of the Land to be friends.
3): The mechanics of the HP = body, MP = mind business. It is such a cool idea, makes perfect sense on multiple levels and more than adequately justifies why Adventurers could lose their memories. A masterstroke, it enriches the story and provides the show with much-needed tension. Sure, you might lose some memories about your cat back on Earth. Or, you might forget about the one you love and your feelings for them. To some people it is a fate worse than death. All of a sudden these directionless demi-gods have a purpose: stay the heck alive.
4): Minori. I liked Akatsuki a lot, never had a problem with her, and Shiroe was great in his role as a mentor and the mastermind of the Akihabaran Renaissance. But there's no doubt in my mind that Minori was the real star of the show. She may have been just one character in a very large ensemble cast but she shone more brightly than anyone else. You almost never see a character like her, and she was so mentally strong and perceptive and competent and, well, so gosh darn likeable you can't help but tip your hat to her. If she wasn't so young I'd ship her and Shiroe in a heartbeat.
Log Horizon has its faults, no doubt about that. And some of them are too big to simply pass off or ignore. But despite that, it has a fantastic cast and a very strong story that goes places that no other similar work has ever succeeded in going before. I love it.
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HeeroTX
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:17 pm
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Quote: | The NPCs are relevant, important and interesting. |
There's actually a manga about "The West Wind Brigade" (Soujiro's Guild) and it has one of the most interesting bits that I WISH was in the anime. They have an NPC that is the "maid" for their guild hall and after a scene one of the players thanks her for her hard work. This prompts a great sequence in which the NPC asks her "why?" Not Why is she thanking a servant, but WHY is the player SUDDENLY talking to the NPC. She makes a great point that the players never really spoke to her before and always walked around expressionless before. It's little details like that and views from the OTHER perspective that make it really interesting, and it does make you stop and think about how you DON'T really talk to NPCs in games, but would you do so if you were suddenly "in" the game?
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ScruffyKiwi
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:46 pm
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meiam wrote: |
DmonHiro wrote: | And meiam just showed his ignorance. No, a 90lv player could NOT solo the whole goblin army. And they explained why perfectly. Had he payed attention, you would have known that you cannot fight for an extended period of time by yourself, because you will run out of MP, and you can't recover MP during battle. In fact, recovering MP out of battle is pretty hard as well. |
Wait doing normal attack burn MP? That is one weird mmo. |
To give a RL example of an MMO like this, for Final Fantasy XIV tank type classes consume TP (or technical points) which is like the non mage version of MP, so yes you will be screwed if you can't replenish that. The MMO of Log Horizon has a lot of similarity to FFXIV, although that's not saying that much.
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L'Imperatore
Joined: 24 Mar 2014
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:49 pm
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dtm42 wrote: |
4): Minori. I liked Akatsuki a lot, never had a problem with her, and Shiroe was great in his role as a mentor and the mastermind of the Akihabaran Renaissance. But there's no doubt in my mind that Minori was the real star of the show. She may have been just one character in a very large ensemble cast but she shone more brightly than anyone else. You almost never see a character like her, and she was so mentally strong and perceptive and competent and, well, so gosh darn likeable you can't help but tip your hat to her. If she wasn't so young I'd ship her and Shiroe in a heartbeat. |
Even more amazing is that she only gets her full 'crowning moment of awesome' until after, what, latter half of the show, during the 'training camp' session?
Before that, honestly, I simply thought of them as 'helpless kids who need to be saved by the heroes'. Earlier in the show, at the point where she and her brother are being persuaded by evil grown-ups to join their guild, all in my mind was, "Ah, so those are the kids who'll eventually join Shiroe and co. (cue from the OP)". That 'just another guild member' impression still hasn't changed when she relies on encouraging words from Shiroe to stay strong until he rescues them.
... Okay, she's been strong even before that. Ever since the first flashback scene of her and her wheelchair-bound brother.
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ScruffyKiwi
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:54 pm
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yuna49 wrote: | If Akatsuki is so concerned with her height and childlike cuteness in real life, why did she adopt her avatar when given the opportunity via the changing potion in episode one? She explicitly says she chose to be represented as a small woman, and says that her original choice of a male form was because the game allows you be someone you're not in real life. You'd think she would choose a form closer to her ideal.
Now maybe this is just the way things were presented in the novel, but it does seem like her character design reflects "fanservice" more than plausibility. The only plausible explanation I can think of is that the Apocalypse somehow forced the players' avatars to look like their human selves, but that makes no real sense. All the rest of the characters look like they did before the Apocalypse.
I have both male and female avatars in Final Fantasy XIV. Trust me, I look nothing at all like any of them. |
In the episode where she changed her form back to a short female she commented that she was having difficulty walking because her avatar height was too different to her RL height. As to why she changed back to female? Well maybe she didn't like the fact that she now had male 'equipment'!!!!
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enurtsol
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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:27 pm
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HeeroTX wrote: |
It's little details like that and views from the OTHER perspective that make it really interesting, and it does make you stop and think about how you DON'T really talk to NPCs in games, but would you do so if you were suddenly "in" the game? |
Well, what else ya gonna do? You're stuck in the game! Gotta pass the time somehow! It's not like ya gotta hurry to the next save point before ya gotta go to school or play a different game or do something else. If you're bored and stuck, what else can ya do?
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Ingraman
Joined: 07 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:46 am
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Cam0 wrote: |
NuGaiNM7 wrote: | Also, dat opening~! DATABASE, DATABASE, JUST SAYING WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW! |
Yeah I really liked that opening too. |
I loved the show, but hated the OP, with its repetitive use of Engrish. I gave the OP a chance for the first episode, but "database"^x was annoying as hell and I couldn't force myself to give it another try... Oh well. I'll probably buy a domestic Blu-ray release, and if I ever watch it again, I'll just skip that chapter.
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zeymort
Joined: 04 Jan 2014
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:46 am
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Quote: | ...clueless romantic bumbling, it is pure, uncut, exquisitely stupid torture. Seeing decisive, dedicatedly professional Akatsuki act all blushy and lovelorn is particularly nauseating. It thankfully is superseded by Shiroe's proxy struggle with the scummy merchant-prince, but it still leaves a lasting scar. |
Woah there. Take a deep breath, step away from the computer, go for a walk, clear your head. If anime gets you this worked up maybe you should write about something else.
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