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jojothepunisher
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[quote="GATSU"]
I don't think he was talking about the influence of watching one film on the effect of watching of another film. Frozen starts off big because most Americans tend to not give a shit about Japanese animation, while many Japanese will give a shit about American movie animations, especially from Walt Disney. Its a matter of social hierarchy.
Once again, I think he was talking more about this matter of social hierarchy rather than who the director is. But then again, if Justin is talking about what the society view of the movies are, it is not necessarily a good indicator of which movie will win. I mean, the people who decide which movie will win the award probably don't go on YouTube 24/7 entertaining themselves with different cover versions of "Let it go". One good news that's making Miyazaki smile is that Oscar is not strictly a popularity contest. |
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Shiroi Hane
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Sometimes the subtitles are owned by the licensor (or even commissioned by the licensor and supplied to Crunchyroll, rather than being produced by CR themselves). I also know of at least one case where a simulcast has been run by both CR and FUNimation at the same time, but with different subtitles on each - Sora no Otoshimono Forte. --edit-- Found it: http://twitpic.com/339jfo |
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GATSU
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jojo: Disney junk is as popular in Japan as it is here. Look at Kingdom Hearts. It's just that they appreciate animation in general more than us, while we prefer to outsource artists.
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Levitz9
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At some point or other, the money that you could get from selling this really well-written, well-regarded work from a medium you love overcomes any ideological differences you might have. Toren Smith was a staunch conservative (he viewed himself as a Libertarian), and while he did butt heads with a lot of Shirow's manga, he didn't let it stop him from licensing GitS, Dominion, or Appleseed. There were other manga that rankled his feathers even more, but he gave those the five-star treatment all the same. |
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Shadowrun20XX
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I haven't seen FROZEN yet but if the sales mean anything Miyazaki should have ended with a blonde hair blue eye performance. Disney proves again stereotypes still make bank.
And Yes Justin I as well have 3 500 disc DJ Binders full of anime that I have ready in case of.....Everything. |
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dtm42
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Whoops, I had completely forgotten about that part. I apologise FUNi, you didn't use a fansub after all. |
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Cptn_Taylor
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Ha ha ha nice try. You should have written most Americans do not give a shit about animation except for Disney movies, most Japanese don't give a shit about animation except for Disney movies and you would have been right on the mark. Seriously trying to depict Japan as this land of enlightened consumers that love animation in its purest form (if such a thing even exists) whereas the rest of the world is interested only in Disney's low quality fare (and Frozen is not low quality fare, it's a very very good film) just shows how ignorant you really are. |
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Animehermit
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Actually the reason why Frozen is doing so well is because the film subverts the very stereotypes you are criticizing it for. |
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Shadowrun20XX
Posts: 1936 Location: Vegas |
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I'll have to see it then. I'm more interested in the hardware they used for that snow. Getting better every year.
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GATSU
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Levitz: Politics aside, Toren could be a disagreeable crank in general. But he still wasn't an a-hole like Santorum. Anyway, regardless, Fukanaga has a right to make his own [legit] life choices. Though if you have a problem with his business partner, you could do the nice and respectable thing and politely mail him your grievances and threaten to stop buying from his bigger company if he continues to support that scumbag.
Judging by what Justin's comments, though, it doesn't look like he helps them financially, either. So, eventually they'll have to give him the boot, anyway. [Most likely after his contract expires.] |
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DmonHiro
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Boy, are YOU in for a surprise. Go watch it, thank me later. |
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Ryu Shoji
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Probably the same reason why Vic Mignogna, a staunch Christian, has his most notable role as someone who outright mocks someone for being religious in the first episode of his show - pretty pictures of presidents to put in his wallet. |
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vashfanatic
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Okay, I can't speak for what's on Gen Fukunaga's mind, but as someone who's done quite a bit of acting, anybody who limited themselves to only playing someone they agreed with in shows that they completely agreed with would be an idiot. Not just because of mercenary reasons the way you imply, but because that's not acting. Acting is about getting inside the head of a person who isn't you, understanding them, and portraying them to the best of your ability. Part of the joy of acting is being someone different from yourself, seeing the world from their point of view. Being Christian, or Jewish, or Buddhist, or atheist, doesn't mean you can empathize with another person who has different beliefs and enjoy playing them. It can be even more challenging and more enjoyable. I mean, the most fun role I ever played was in my D&D group, where I was a chaotic evil warlock who was ragingly misogynistic and wound up killing his entire party at the end of the campaign. I could not be more the opposite of that character, and that's why I wanted to play it. |
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Guile
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I believe this statement is debatable. While it is certainly true most Disney movies do well in Japan (outside a few flops such as Brave), it has more to do with the movie industry than the animation industry. Hollywood is the movie juggernaut of the world, while Japan's own film industry is fairly small. American movies in general do well in Japan, not just animation. Compared to the television scene, American animation goes virtually unheard of on Japanese television. Despite there being dedicated channels to Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon cartoons, and even cartoons airing on Japanese networks such as TV Tokyo, American television cartoons go completely unnoticed. Either there is a big discrepency in the quality of American movie animation and television animation to the point of Japan's interest, or the only reason American movie animation does well in Japan is due to the Japanese movie industry being a easier market to penetrate. Of course, I suppose this does not dispute the 'appreciate animation more in general' statement as one could argue their appreciation of animation leads them to not finding a need to watch American animation when anime is much more varied, but I think it's worth pointing out the differences between the television and movie market in Japan. That being said, I am unsure why people still think an anime can win an American award show. Aren't those things mostly politics and popularity contests? I do not see how one could hope for an anime winning, especially movies which did not have widespread theatrical runs in America. |
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GATSU
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Guile:
Actually, Japan's domestic films often do better than our films. But they do see our films, so they're still considered a significant market.
Um, The Simpsons and Spongebob are just as popular there as they are here. They don't watch everything, but they do know about our stuff, if it gets broadcast there.
Because it's happened before? And frankly, the CG talking animal/object fad is getting tired, if even Pixar got shut out this year.
Again, Spirited Away did not get a wide release, either. Also, there are these magic new things called "screeners" which level the playing field for low-profile films. |
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