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GATSU
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:07 pm
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Nana's alright, but it's kind of going nowhere in the recent issues of SB.
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fighterholic
Joined: 28 Sep 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:14 pm
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Wow, that is something This magazine ain't going away anytime soon.
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Toshirodragon
Joined: 14 May 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:18 pm
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So upshot of this article is that Japanese girls like good, solid, plot driven, quirky character stories same as the boys...
Well whoda thunk it?
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Egan Loo
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:45 pm
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Toshirodragon wrote: | So upshot of this article is that Japanese girls like good, solid, plot driven, quirky character stories same as the boys...
Well whoda thunk it? |
There is a flip side to this. Japanese girls are comfortable reading supposedly "shônen" magazines, and many openly prefer them. However, in Matt Thorn and other anthropologists' research, the same is not true for the vast majority of Japanese boys. Most Japanese shônen are far more culturally disinclined to admit reading shôjo manga than vice versa.
Supposedly "shôjo" magazines have as many good, solid, plot driven, quirky character stories as supposedly "shônen" magazines. Yet, there is much less cultural resistance for girls to read "boys'" manga as there are for boys reading "girls'" manga.
So, to rephrase your statement, Japanese girls openly like good, solid, plot driven, quirky character stories—regardless if it's supposedly for shônen or shôjo—more than the boys do.
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shirokiryuu
Joined: 11 May 2005
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Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area)
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:48 pm
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I'm a girl, and when I was in middle school, almost everything I read was shounen. And it was the same with many of my friends. It is true that me and my friends both read shounen and shoujo, but it seems that shounen formula can drag in both genders.
It's also not very surprising as many shounen stories are chock full of bishounen and have romantic themes as well. Unexpectantly the girl fanbase can be larger than the boy's because of this.
about the boys reading shoujo, It's the same with action movies and romance movies. Many guys refuse to watch mushy gushy chick flicks, but it's fine for girls to watch action movies intended for guys. It's just a social thing.
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Jamee
Joined: 06 May 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:51 pm
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Once again, no love for Ribon. Or Nakayoshi. Maybe they are considered to be too young.
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Egan Loo
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:28 pm
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shirokiryuu wrote: | about the boys reading shoujo, It's the same with action movies and romance movies. Many guys refuse to watch mushy gushy chick flicks, but it's fine for girls to watch action movies intended for guys. It's just a social thing. |
Indeed, it's definitely sociocultural. Whether that should change—after all, it wasn't always the case that girls could enjoy certain sports and pastimes without the societal frowns—is perhaps a deeper question than one news article and one forum thread can address.
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Egan Loo
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:32 pm
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Jamee wrote: | Once again, no love for Ribon. Or Nakayoshi. Maybe they are considered to be too young. |
For what it's worth, the final three magazines in the top ten list are Kiss at #8 and both Chorus and Dessert tied at #9.
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Spotlesseden
Joined: 09 Sep 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:33 pm
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don't forget that more girls read manga than boys
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marie-antoinette
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:00 am
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I have to admit I find it interesting that SJ is more popular than the others, but I do know a lot of girls who enjoy the shounen stuff (though I'm not one of them really...there is some shounen that I do enjoy, like Death Note which was mentioned...but I'd take NANA over it anyday ).
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evalover1987
Joined: 03 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:47 pm
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Is it a new or an old one?
'cause I saw the results of the survey on the exactly the same topic
by Oricon last year, and the rank was exactly the same.
(1. shonen jump, 2. monthly cookie, etc..)
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matt-thorn
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:50 pm
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Matt Thorn here. I'm not surprised to find Jump at No. 1, but I was surprised by some others. By the way, the English summary of the article refers to "Margaret", but the actual magazine referred to in the original is "Bessatsu Margaret". ("Special Edition Margaret") There's a big difference. The original article doesn't give any information about the demographic of the surveyed women, but judging from the results it sounds like something between about 14 and 25. The absence of Ribbon (not to mention Bessatsu Friend) speaks volumes about the changes in the industry over the past decade. The fact that the most popular shoujo magazine is Cookie is pretty mind-boggling. I mean, sure, Nana's a huge hit, but...wow. I'm sure the publisher is as surprised at the way things have turned out as anybody. On the other hand, the survey asked women/girls what they're favorite magazines were. That doesn't necessarily translate into sales. Girls and young women are notorious for reading manga magazines in the store and not buying them.
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Sailor Maddie Mouse
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:44 pm
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There's always been a double standard throughout the world when it comes to liking things aimed at the opposite gender. It's become more widespread for girls to like things aimed at boys, especially since the whole women's rights movement. If a girl is put down for liking "boy's things" it gets considered sexist and in a mind set of about 100 years ago. If a boy likes "girl's things" he's considered gay. (by sterotyping.)
It was once considered bad for a woman to wear "men's" clothing. (Case in point: pants.) Today, it's considered a norm. Imagine what would happen if a man were to wear a dress out in public the way a woman wears pants today. I think he'd get a LOT more stares, huh?
Anyway, I'll always be a Ribon girl at heart. D; Regardless of those Japanese girls' preferences.
And I always thought Jump was older. Guess you learn something everyday.
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GATSU
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:09 pm
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matt: From what I hear, with the exception of Sailor Moon, Ribon was never that big.
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Ashen Phoenix
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:17 pm
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Toshirodragon wrote: | So upshot of this article is that Japanese girls like good, solid, plot driven, quirky character stories same as the boys... |
yeah, i think it's a definite good thing and it's really refreshing to know that Japanese female manga fans aren't all giggly, skin-deep morons when it comes to their favorite series or in general. i hope they'll do this kind of poll for the U.S. (see if the statustics match up or not).
Quote: | In research studies dating back to 1994, Matt Thorn and other anthropologists have noted this trend in Japanese girls reading manga magazines ostensibly aimed at boys. |
hellz yeah! lol some of my favorie series were 'made for boys.' and even series like Fullmetal Alchemist were made by a woman!
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