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Berserk - Character Discussion -Spoiler Beware-

I've always tended to enjoy fantasy best while 'the going is good' and I love the times when the heroes are succeeding at whatever they are doing, which is why I just loved the characters of Griffiths and Guts during the Golden Age saga.

I agree that Femto is Griffith (Femto is the one with wings and Griffith is the one with silver hair)
However, somehow I feel different about them and they act different. Femto rapes Caska (she is only alive because Skull Knight save her), Griffith save Caska from the rocks, Femto called Guts 'a useless human, just a sacrifice', Griffith never said anything mean to Guts (he said he came to see Guts to see if anything move him, but he is free now). Somehow, Femto and Griffith attitude is different (to me at least). I wonder if it is because Griffith have a heart (from the deform demon baby) while Femto don't? Femto is Griffith, but his attitude is different from the Griffith before and after the Eclipse. That being said, it is Griffith who decide to sacrifice his whole comrades for a new start. So Griffith is evil (but still I like him)

The reason I like Guts so much is even unknown to me. He is different from other 'bad-ass' main character such as Naruto, Ichigo (from Bleach), Inuyasha, etc. He is much deeper, yet tragic. His looks when he heard Griffith speech on friendship nearly drive me to tears. His looks just broke your heart, I guess.

I will stop for now.

I've never quite decided whether Griffith had sex with Charlotte just as an attempt to cement his position of power and further his plan or as an emotional reaction to being abandoned by Guts and having his plan ruined. I initially considered it just to be an act to try and save his plan and further ingratiate himself into the royal family, but perhaps I was totally wrong.

Griffith is Femto simple as that. People change, they don't stay the way they are forever. Especially if something as traumatic happens as did to Griffith.
You cannot make a clear distincion between normal Griffith and Femto because you ignore what happened to Griffith.
Of course the Griffith everyone talks about was always nice to Guts, simply because Guts was his only real friend. But the start of Griffith's change was not the eclipse, it was Guts leaving him which Griffith probably saw as betrayal.
Winning or not, he needed Guts by his side. Now what really made things go awry was his imprisonment.
That is the major factor that changed Griffith, not the eclipse. He tried to kill Guts and started resenting him already when he got rescued, not when he turned into Femto.
This means by the time he weas offerred to turn into a Godhand he already had become hateful and bitter. He also clang to Caska before becoming Femto because he thought she was the only one who really cared about him.
The eclipse just was a means to an end in order to get things back on track for him.
When he was reborn as Griffith he not only chnaged again because he got closer to his goal and now he had returned to his former self he had a nother cnace to become a human king instead of a demon that had barely anything to do with the human world.

The point is that none of the changes Griffith has gone through were another self or anything in that direction. Femto is no other self or anything but just a phase in which Griffith was forced to stay inside a non human body (which was a hindrance because he wanted to become a king in the human world but as Godhand he couldn't go there).

The irony is that the only reason Guts left in the first place was to be accepted as friend by Griffith which he actually had already become.
It would have been exactly the same if Griffith hadn't turned into Femto but would have just gotten healed at the expense of his former comrades.
Right then he made the decision (even before turning into Femto) to sacrifice everything for his dream and even betray and kill his friends if necessary.
He had been walking a line all the time.
It had probably been his intention from the beginning, there is no easier way to become king than marrying the princess (and most likely killing her father some time later). After all Charlotte would have been the only one left with a legitime claim for the throne and he as her husband would obviously have become the king.
But because of Guts leaving he was confused, irritated and din't know what to do so he rushed things before being of high enough status to ask for her hand.
He didn't even do that but directly went to **** her instead.
That was the worst mistake he ever made.

I know this thread is dead, but since it got put in the Sticky thread, I thought I'd comment here.

Really what I have is a question. I am a huge fan of Berserk. In my opinion it is one of the greatest manga series ever written. The characters and story are deep and tragic, it's action-packed, and truly never leaves you once you have experienced it. However, I work with this guy who I'm trying to convince him that Berserk is a good series. He's read 3 volumes of the manga, and seen the first few eps of the anime (and the very last one). He insists that the only plot elements are sex, demons, and demon sex. No matter how hard I try to convince him that the series is incredible, he says that the only reason it's popular is because it is violent and sexual. He does not see these things as plot elements, but rather as plot hindrances. He says that the first episode of the anime was almost hentai! His reason for not liking the series is because he "saw the story already in Record of Lodoss War". Despite my best efforts, he still doesn't like it. He's continuing to read the manga (basically because I'm forcing him to) but fails to see anything but sex and demons.

My question to you is: How can I convince him that Berserk really is a great series beyond the violence and graphic sex.

The first three volumes are quite poor in comparison with the rest. Have the guy read the Golden Age arc.

That's true, I'm not trying to force it on him, but he enjoys series like Vagabond and Blade of the Immortal, so I don't really understand how the sex and violence is an issue with him. I suppose some people just can't change their minds no matter what.

Maybe because of what kind of things might be in there, such as spoiler[there being a bunch of orgies, animals screwing women, unbelievable amounts of blood, people eating people (in one segment). ]The list goes on and on. So if he has some religious issues with the whole thing, there may be your problem with him.

fighterholic wrote:

Maybe because of what kind of things might be in there, such as spoiler[there being a bunch of orgies, animals screwing women, unbelievable amounts of blood, people eating people (in one segment). ]The list goes on and on. So if he has some religious issues with the whole thing, there may be your problem with him.

That's one of the other funny things, he's not religious at all. He just maintains that it's a hentai series with no substance. I wonder if he's ever read or seen a real hentai, though.