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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:42 pm Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:51 pm Reply with quote
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Half the manga readers I talk to read yaoi, and most of them are young teenage girls (i.e. 12-15), no where near old enough to where they should be able to buy this stuff... yet it still gets released...

There's nothing adult about non-graphic boy/boy romance. Welcome to the 21st centurty. The 50's want your opinion back.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:52 pm Reply with quote
If that's all MB is going to sell then I save myself some money. Besides what will they do when all these fangirls grow up and out of this fad. I'm not a bigot, but I also don't want something I have no interest in to overwhelm and abolish what I do have an interest in. I just hope the other publishers don't jump on this yaoi bandwagon at the expense of everyone else. It's only going to end in tears. for us all. yaoi should not become the be all and end all, of anime and manga. If that happens I'll take up golf.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:54 pm Reply with quote
Mohawk52 wrote:
If that's all MB is going to sell then I save myself some money. Besides what will they do when all these fangirls grow up and out of this fad. I'm not a bigot, but I also don't want something I have no interest in to overwhelm and abolish what I do have an interest in. I just hope the other publishers don't jump on this yaoi bandwagon at the expense of everyone else. It's only going to end in tears. for us all. yaoi should not become the be all and end all, of anime and manga. If that happens I'll take up golf.


Um. Why did you quote everything I said in your previous post without responding to it?

Anyway, I wouldn't say that Yaoi is a fad that will eventually disappear. I consider it a genre, which is obvious. Just like shounen, shoujo, sports etc. Yaoi manga have been selling in Japan for over a decade and it's still going strong. And every year, there's yaoi animes that are being made. Actually, 2007 alone, Japan will release at least 8 Yaoi series/OVA. Old fans will inevitably lose interest in a genre, but new fans will come as a result. Nothing is going to disappear.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:57 pm Reply with quote
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Anyway, I wouldn't say that Yaoi is a fad that will eventually disappear.

The genre itself will probably never disappear, but it's very possible that a good sum of the hardcore fans will eventually "grow out of it" and move on to creepier, kinkier fetishes, particularly kids who got into it at a very early age. I got hooked on Gravitation when I was just ten years old and started reading every piece of fiction that even hinted at a male/male relationship I could get my hands on, but I've since fallen out of the fandom almost completely. I quickly discovered that the majority of the books that get an official English release through companies like DMP and Blu are cookie cutter pseudo-soap opera crap, and there's just so many of the same trite stories with identical looking characters flooding the English speaking market that it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack to come across one that's even half decent. I’ve bought a buttload of BL comics (most of them from DMP), and the only series I really liked were Gravitation, Loveless, and Let Dai. (And on top of the terribly cliché stories, a lot of adult characters in BL manga look like ugly horse-faced girls with dicks.)

I can't say wouldn't mind getting some more shota over here, since Almost Crying and Loveless are the only comics that fall under this sub-genre I'm aware of that were given a North American release. I don't care if it's pornographic or not, but it'd be nice (for me Razz ) to see SOMETHING shota related make it's way over here aside from those two titles.

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Because yaoi readers are some of the most supportive fans in the business. Yaoi makes money.

You betcha yaoi readers are faithful. There was a period of time for me (that lasted a few months) when I was buying, watching, and reading ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than BL. I think too much of the stuff has made me sick of it, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:25 pm Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
AyumiHamasaki wrote:
Anyway, I wouldn't say that Yaoi is a fad that will eventually disappear.

The genre itself will probably never disappear, but it's very possible that a good sum of the hardcore fans will eventually "grow out of it" and move on [size=] to creepier, kinkier fetishes[/size], particularly kids who got into it at a very early age.

There' s no evidence for that. Just because you're a pervert doesn't mean everyone else is. Romance is romance. All the girls who read the fluffy girl/guy manga that are pretty much the same thing, are not going to end up fans of S&M/beastility porn. Ridiculous assumptions, and it's even more ridiculous that you made this text very small so you could say something without others reading it. Coward.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:04 pm Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
The genre itself will probably never disappear, but it's very possible that a good sum of the hardcore fans will eventually "grow out of it" and move on to creepier, kinkier fetishes, particularly kids who got into it at a very early age.
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I can't say wouldn't mind getting some more shota over here
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You betcha yaoi readers are faithful. There was a period of time for me (that lasted a few months) when I was buying, watching, and reading ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than BL. I think too much of the stuff has made me sick of it, though.


A case study of one does not make it so. This is the same silly argument some conservatives have used against romance novels for years, and there's no evidence of romance readers turn into rabid creatures with bizarre fetishes just because some romances have sex in them. Yaoi is just a visual romance novel.

Of course people will have problems if they become obsessed with it to the exclusion of all else. Any obsession like that is bad, be it manga, football, or adopting too many cats. It's not the medium that's the problem, it's the user.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:06 pm Reply with quote
J-Syxx wrote:
Wolverine Princess wrote:
AyumiHamasaki wrote:
Anyway, I wouldn't say that Yaoi is a fad that will eventually disappear.

The genre itself will probably never disappear, but it's very possible that a good sum of the hardcore fans will eventually "grow out of it" and move on [size=] to creepier, kinkier fetishes[/size], particularly kids who got into it at a very early age.

There' s no evidence for that. Just because you're a pervert doesn't mean everyone else is. Romance is romance. All the girls who read the fluffy girl/guy manga that are pretty much the same thing, are not going to end up fans of S&M/beastility porn. Ridiculous assumptions, and it's even more ridiculous that you made this text very small so you could say something without others reading it. Coward.

I made the text smaller because that was a joke, not because I was afraid to voice my opinion or whatever. I suppose should I have added in a goofy emoticon or something to emphasize this, since sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:18 pm Reply with quote
Wolverine Princess wrote:
J-Syxx wrote:
Wolverine Princess wrote:
AyumiHamasaki wrote:
Anyway, I wouldn't say that Yaoi is a fad that will eventually disappear.

The genre itself will probably never disappear, but it's very possible that a good sum of the hardcore fans will eventually "grow out of it" and move on [size=] to creepier, kinkier fetishes[/size], particularly kids who got into it at a very early age.

There' s no evidence for that. Just because you're a pervert doesn't mean everyone else is. Romance is romance. All the girls who read the fluffy girl/guy manga that are pretty much the same thing, are not going to end up fans of S&M/beastility porn. Ridiculous assumptions, and it's even more ridiculous that you made this text very small so you could say something without others reading it. Coward.

I made the text smaller because that was a joke, not because I was afraid to voice my opinion or whatever. I suppose should I have added in a goofy emoticon or something to emphasize this, since sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet.

Well, ok, I appologize. And yeah, sarcasm doesn't usually translate well over the net. I just assumed you did that to say something without getting flamed.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:24 am Reply with quote
Considereing I was born in 1960, when can I expect to "grow out of it"?

And again, as I quoted DMP's pres-
"PWCW: Tell us about your early support for yaoi, or boys' love, and the rest of your publishing list.
HS: I didn't even know there was a genre called boys' love until an old man, the president of [Japanese publisher] Tokuma Shoten, told me, "It's like homosexual manga." He told me it was the most lucrative genre. It's had over 30 years of business in Japan. "

It has lasted past fad stage. It's basically Harlequin Romance with guys. How long has Harlequin been around? If they can get past the general homophobic "It's a sin" these American publishers bringing over yaoi are set. Who cares if it's only 6 plots? Harlequin's been doing that forever. (One can argue the same for most genres. Sci-fi recycles, I know). I've always liked the romantic nature in old vamp stories of a creature centuries old willing to throw it all away for love & yaoi has an element of that-that society doesn't fully accept same-sex relationships, so for them to fall in love & stick it out rather take the easy route & go with what society expectss is romantic in itself.

And for BL allegedly representing shonen ai/romance over sex, every single manga collection zine I ordered a couple months back (Qupid, Hana oto Gorgeous Manga, Be-Boy Luv Manga, B-Rash Manga) other than Character Collection had hardcore. Shouta even(totally unexpected & in color). I mean, I don't mind the hardcore, but in a comments at the end of a manga, one of the manga-kas commented (Yamane? Can't recall) her younger fans want hardcore & her older fans want romance which is exactly the division in my household where I don't care as long as the characters appeal to me while my daughter wants to see sex.
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:10 am Reply with quote
AyumiHamasaki wrote:
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Anyway, I wouldn't say that Yaoi is a fad that will eventually disappear. I consider it a genre, which is obvious. Just like shounen, shoujo, sports etc. Yaoi manga have been selling in Japan for over a decade and it's still going strong. And every year, there's yaoi animes that are being made. Actually, 2007 alone, Japan will release at least 8 Yaoi series/OVA. Old fans will inevitably lose interest in a genre, but new fans will come as a result. Nothing is going to disappear.
I didn't say I want it to disappear. What I'm on about is that I don't want those other genres to disappear, because of it, is all. In other words, there is enough room for us all in the market. As stated, MB is rather small beer compared to the big publishers, so them bailing everything, but the yaoi, over the rails isn't going to affect me, as apart to "Ah My Goddess TV" they have nothing else I am even vaguely interested in so it's no sweat off my a.. ah, nose. I just hope the Big boys don't fall into the same pothole.
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