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Sango_Lover



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:40 am Reply with quote
I recently bought the NGE Perfect collection boxset and have been re-watching the series. I know it may seem wierd but
I seem to understand it more watching it on DVD than I did when it was airing on TV. I guess it could be that its my second time watching it through...but Anyway, rewatching it has made me think of some questions I would like to have answered:


1. I know I sound stupid in asking this, but is Shinji's mothers Soul inside Eva Unit 01? I mean his father was speaking to his mother but no one was there accept Unit 01 behind him, Ritsko also called it a 'she' when the Eva wen't all berserk and broke from the armor/restraints. It could also explain why it is so attached to Shinji....

but then who are the souls of the other Eva Units? (Mainly 00, and 02)

2. What exactly are the Angels? I feel really dumb, but I still don't understand why they are there. Well, I guess I understand their need to find Lillith.... And that brings me to asking why did they call Lillith, Adam? Cause if I remember right, the last angel said the thing in the basement wasn't Adam and was actually Lilith.

3. My last question is about the Evangelion movies. I don't want any spoilers or anything but do they bring closure to the series? Do they explain most of what is going on and why? I just want to make sure getting them is the right thing to do Wink
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JoshuaStChristopher



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:49 am Reply with quote
Sango_Lover wrote:
1. I know I sound stupid in asking this, but is Shinji's mothers Soul inside Eva Unit 01? I mean his father was speaking to his mother but no one was there accept Unit 01 behind him, Ritsko also called it a 'she' when the Eva wen't all berserk and broke from the armor/restraints. It could also explain why it is so attached to Shinji....


Yes.

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but then who are the souls of the other Eva Units? (Mainly 00, and 02)


Asuka's mommy in 02.

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2. What exactly are the Angels? I feel really dumb, but I still don't understand why they are there. Well, I guess I understand their need to find Lillith.... And that brings me to asking why did they call Lillith, Adam? Cause if I remember right, the last angel said the thing in the basement wasn't Adam and was actually Lilith.


They're another form of humanity. Yes, it's Lilith, not Adam.

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3. My last question is about the Evangelion movies. I don't want any spoilers or anything but do they bring closure to the series? Do they explain most of what is going on and why? I just want to make sure getting them is the right thing to do Wink


The first movie is just recap with a bit of the beginning of The End of Evangelion. EoE definitely provides closure and whatnot, but it's really confusing if you don't "get" what's happening.
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Sango_Lover



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:57 am Reply with quote
JoshuaStChristopher wrote:
Sango_Lover wrote:
1. I know I sound stupid in asking this, but is Shinji's mothers Soul inside Eva Unit 01? I mean his father was speaking to his mother but no one was there accept Unit 01 behind him, Ritsko also called it a 'she' when the Eva wen't all berserk and broke from the armor/restraints. It could also explain why it is so attached to Shinji....


Yes.

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but then who are the souls of the other Eva Units? (Mainly 00, and 02)


Asuka's mommy in 02.


Is that the reason why there were chosen as pilots? Now I am thinking this is the reason for all the candidates because if I remember right, everyone who was a candidate had lost one or both of their parents, right? Smile Idea

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2. What exactly are the Angels? I feel really dumb, but I still don't understand why they are there. Well, I guess I understand their need to find Lillith.... And that brings me to asking why did they call Lillith, Adam? Cause if I remember right, the last angel said the thing in the basement wasn't Adam and was actually Lilith.


They're another form of humanity. Yes, it's Lilith, not Adam.

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3. My last question is about the Evangelion movies. I don't want any spoilers or anything but do they bring closure to the series? Do they explain most of what is going on and why? I just want to make sure getting them is the right thing to do Wink


The first movie is just recap with a bit of the beginning of The End of Evangelion. EoE definitely provides closure and whatnot, but it's really confusing if you don't "get" what's happening.


Hey thanks! Very Happy

So what exactly happened to Adam? I am assuming that he was the first Angel....
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JoshuaStChristopher



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:07 am Reply with quote
Sango_Lover wrote:


Is that the reason why there were chosen as pilots? Now I am thinking this is the reason for all the candidates because if I remember right, everyone who was a candidate had lost one or both of their parents, right? Smile Idea


You are correct.

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Hey thanks! Very Happy

So what exactly happened to Adam? I am assuming that he was the first Angel....


No problem. And Adam was that big creature of light at the Second Impact, as well as that crazy little thing on Gendou's hand. You may recall Kaji giving it to him after he shows up.
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Sango_Lover



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:10 am Reply with quote
JoshuaStChristopher wrote:
Sango_Lover wrote:


Is that the reason why there were chosen as pilots? Now I am thinking this is the reason for all the candidates because if I remember right, everyone who was a candidate had lost one or both of their parents, right? Smile Idea


You are correct.

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Hey thanks! Very Happy

So what exactly happened to Adam? I am assuming that he was the first Angel....


No problem. And Adam was that big creature of light at the Second Impact, as well as that crazy little thing on Gendou's hand. You may recall Kaji giving it to him after he shows up.


Oh, okay. I do remember Kaji giving it too him. Its just the Lilith part was somewhat confusing Wink

Thanks for the help! I can't wait to go pick up the Moives now Very Happy
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NeonGEvangelion



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:03 am Reply with quote
Sango_Lover wrote:
I recently bought the NGE Perfect collection boxset and have been re-watching the series. I know it may seem wierd but
I seem to understand it more watching it on DVD than I did when it was airing on TV. I guess it could be that its my second time watching it through...but Anyway, rewatching it has made me think of some questions I would like to have answered:


1. I know I sound stupid in asking this, but is Shinji's mothers Soul inside Eva Unit 01? I mean his father was speaking to his mother but no one was there accept Unit 01 behind him, Ritsko also called it a 'she' when the Eva wen't all berserk and broke from the armor/restraints. It could also explain why it is so attached to Shinji....

spoiler[
Shinjis Mother is in Unit 01
]



Sango_Lover wrote:

but then who are the souls of the other Eva Units? (Mainly 00, and 02)


spoiler[Unit 00 soul has alot of speculation but I believe its the soul of Rei 1. Unit 02 is Asukas Mother.]

Sango_Lover wrote:

2. What exactly are the Angels? I feel really dumb, but I still don't understand why they are there. Well, I guess I understand their need to find Lillith.... And that brings me to asking why did they call Lillith, Adam? Cause if I remember right, the last angel said the thing in the basement wasn't Adam and was actually Lilith.


spoiler[Angels are humans who neglected to take the form of humans. Adam is the progeneter of man, while Lilith is the progeneter of the Angels. Lilith and Adam are two different beings, not to be mixed up. Adam is the 1st Angel while Lilith is the 2nd.]

Sango_Lover wrote:

3. My last question is about the Evangelion movies. I don't want any spoilers or anything but do they bring closure to the series? Do they explain most of what is going on and why? I just want to make sure getting them is the right thing to do.

spoiler[
Yes they bring a sort of a closure, but its still very open. Things are explained in full, but very psychologically. It can get confusing your first time watching EoE.]


Edit : Added Spoilers just in case.
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TAKAVAR



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:17 am Reply with quote
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but then who are the souls of the other Eva Units? (Mainly 00, and 02)


actually, i belive its a lot like the magi system.
Unit 00 is Yui as a woman, this is why it tries to attack Ritsuko, at least Ritsuku thought that.
Unit 01 is Yui as a mother. because of how it protects shinji
Unit 02 is Yui as a scientinst. Asuka might like to belive other wise, but she is wrong. Actually, it is a perfect mach for Asuka to pilot something that doesn't have much emotions. (unit 02 never shows any )

but then again, i might be very wrong, the biggest problem is that Asuka's Unit came from oversea's, but i'm pretty confident about unit 00's
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:44 am Reply with quote
Well, JoshuaStChristopher covered everything pretty much...I thought that Rei was Shinji's mother or Lilith, I can't remember real well what was said in the last NGE disscussion. I didn't think EOE was that confusing I mean I thought it was obvious what was going on...though you might get lost for a few seconds when some of the stuff happens, but by the time the end comes you should understand everything. Wink TAKAVAR, thats and interesting theory but I think it doesn't go along with what happened in the movies.
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TestamentSaki



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:16 am Reply with quote
Sango_Lover wrote:

Is that the reason why there were chosen as pilots? Now I am thinking this is the reason for all the candidates because if I remember right, everyone who was a candidate had lost one or both of their parents, right? Smile Idea


Not exactly. spoiler[Rei has no parents since SHE is a clone. Kaworu is an Angel, and uo to where I remember, Touji's parents are still alive. The only pilots who have lost their parents or one of them) are Shinji and Asuka.]
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omar235



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:22 am Reply with quote
Well the only EVA's that really matter are 00,01,02 so the pilots for them were chosen for the fact the the souls in the units had some link to the pilots, this would improve preformance...though I could have sworn Rei was a clone of Shinji's mother.
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Ramadahl



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:24 am Reply with quote
omar235 wrote:
though I could have sworn Rei was a clone of Shinji's mother.

spoiler[The Rei clones are part Yui and part Lilith.]
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:50 am Reply with quote
Ahh....thats what it was...part Lilith, thanks Very Happy
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NeonGEvangelion



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:48 am Reply with quote
TAKAVAR wrote:
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but then who are the souls of the other Eva Units? (Mainly 00, and 02)


actually, i belive its a lot like the magi system.
Unit 00 is Yui as a woman, this is why it tries to attack Ritsuko, at least Ritsuku thought that.
Unit 01 is Yui as a mother. because of how it protects shinji
Unit 02 is Yui as a scientinst. Asuka might like to belive other wise, but she is wrong. Actually, it is a perfect mach for Asuka to pilot something that doesn't have much emotions. (unit 02 never shows any )

but then again, i might be very wrong, the biggest problem is that Asuka's Unit came from oversea's, but i'm pretty confident about unit 00's


spoiler[That theory, as it seems interesting is totally wrong. Since in EoE, Asuka finds out her mother has been protecting her for as long as she was in the EVA. They use the souls of the childrens mothers, because they can easily sync with them, thats the whole purpose of having 14 yr olds pilot the evas. Episode 16, also shows that Shinjis mother (Yui) is in Unit 01, beacause she helps him out of the diroc sea. Unit 00 soul is still in question, but some speculate its either Rei 1 (Child Rei) or Ritsukos mother, becuase of its incresed aggresion against Gendo and Ritsuko.]
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I believe this is a spoiler if you haven't seen the movies, but spoiler[Rei is being grown from Lilith. You can see all the Rei legs dangling from her]. I'm not sure how she also possesses Yui's DNA, but she does.

There's also the whole Kaballah angle to understanding Adam and Lilith's relationship. A passage from Wikipedia about the relevant Lilith myth:
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A medieval reference to Lilith as the first wife of Adam is the anonymous The Alphabet of Ben-Sira, written sometime between the 8th and 11th centuries. Lilith is described as refusing to assume a subservient role to Adam during sexual intercourse[...]. Lilith promptly uttered the name of God, took to the air, and left the Garden, settling on the Red Sea coast.

Two important observations should be made here: Lilith left the Garden of her own accord, before the Fall of Man, and is without Original Sin. She knows the name of God, making her an extremely powerful, and perhaps unique, cosmological being.

Lilith then went on to mate with Samael and various other demons she found beside the Red Sea, creating countless lilin. Adam urged God to bring Lilith back, so three angels were dispatched after her. When the angels, Senoy, Sansenoy, and Semangelof, made threats to kill one hundred of Lilith's demonic children for each day she stayed away, she countered that she would prey eternally upon the descendants of Adam and Eve, who could be saved only by invoking the names of the three angels. She did not return to Adam.


What's interesting is that Kaworu calls us the lilim, which seems to conflict with kabalistic beliefs, since they have us being the children of Adam and Eve and Lilith being the mother of the creatures that appear in Eva. Maybe someone else understands that part better than me.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:08 pm Reply with quote
Iritscen wrote:
I believe this is a spoiler if you haven't seen the movies, but spoiler[Rei is being grown from Lilith. You can see all the Rei legs dangling from her]. I'm not sure how she also possesses Yui's DNA, but she does.

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I cant really see a connection to as Rei being specifically grown from Lilith. She is indeed part of Lilith, but not physically from her. Rei has the DNA of Yui, included her somewhat similiar physical appearence, but Rei has the memories/mind/soul of Lilith. ]
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