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rheiders
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Voting For:
World of Magi, Magi World of Pokemon, Pokemon Gunsmoke, Trigun |
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Thatguy3331
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The world of One Piece
Series/Franchise: One Piece Magic/Technological Base: 1700's maybe 1800's pirate fantasy world with slight historical aspects to it (and I mean REAAALLY slight) Important Locations: East Blue, Grand Line, New World Raftel. Important Groups/Races: Pirates, Marines, Fishmen, Skypieans, Giants and many others who are too circumstantial. Description: It's the great pirate Era, as such there are large groups of pirates that swarm the seas as they travel, Plunder and either fight or try to outrun the navy/world government. There are Ideas taken from our world such as politics and WOMD, but really the world of One Piece is more of a fantastical sort of place. Each Island can range from having its own climate to laws of physics and there are civilizations both above the clouds and Under the sea (there are even hinted to be space people but that's for another time...maybe). Most of it's more crazy elements take place within the grand line, however with the existence of Devil Fruits, which grants the user one of many strange powers as well as roaming creatures such as fishman and sea kings, the world always caries a fantasy element to it. More so than actual earth, water tales up ALOT of the world, and aside from some islands spotted along the east blue and it's sister seas' there is only one main continent known as the red line which wraps around the world perpendicular to the grand line. Speaking of which, the grand line is also surrounded by the 'calm belt' meaning it's a place with no wind for sails. as such the only way to enter the grand line is through 'reverse mountain' which is a set of streams that takes a boat up to the top of the mountain and back down into the grand line. From there the grand line consists of two parts, the first still being referred to as the grand line and the seconded called new world, in which things are even more crazy. At the end is an Island called Raftel, which is said to possibly hold the One Piece as well as being a key location towards the other mysteries of the OP world. What Makes The World Great: Playful Imagination and Romanticism are what makes this world work and so enjoyable. The World Government and way the Pirates organize adds a sort of believability to the world despite it being one of the furthest universes from reality to exist. As One Piece has a lot of flashbacks, you can often see how certain places within the One Piece world were like to reach how it appears to be today. An example would be how half of an island was literally blown away into the sky and not only left someone with a ridiculously small house surrounded by wilderness, but how above in the clouds it sparked a war between two groups of people over the right to the newly appeared land (not to mention a city of gold). Whatever madness exists within the world there is always a method to it that works in its own way and establishes a nice grounding for believability. It may not be the most realistic entry but the world of One Piece knows it's crazy and has fun with it. Images: http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj629/Theguy3331/YAXL_zpsc17f887b.jpg http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj629/Theguy3331/draft_lens17637529module151155531photo_1309322564One_Pice_World_Map_zps73aab7f8.jpg I SUPPORT: Ikebukuro - Durarara Academy City - A certain magical Index and scientific railgun The world of Magi Gunsmoke - Trigun The world of pokemon Last edited by Thatguy3331 on Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:17 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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rosebrook11
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Abenobashi Shopping Arcade Pokemon World The World of Magi Gunsmoke The world of One Piece |
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Aylinn
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NOMINATING:
The world of Natsume's Book of Friends Franchise: Natsume's Book of Friends Magic/Technological Base: alternative world Important Locations: the town in which the main character lives and the forest and mountains in the neighbourhood Important Groups: humans, youkai, exorcists Description: The world of Natsume's Book of Friends is populated not only by humans, but also by youkai, creatures common in Japanese folklore. However, most people are unable to see them and their existence is only know by the few who can. Those people vary in their spiritual power and while some can see them very clearly, others are merely able to feel youkai's presence. This ability to see such creatures causes constant trouble for the main character who inherits a book from his grandmother in which she gathered names of many youkai. Natsume decides to give the names back and so the long string of encounters with youkai who want them returned begins. What Makes The World-Building Great: The idea of a world where youkai exists is an interesting vehicle for the story. Not only does different types of youkai and humans appear, but also the attitudes of one group towards the other group differs making the world feel close and plausible. |
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Olliff
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Voting Against:
World of Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō
While two 2 episode OVAs exists, I do not believe there is enough content in the anime alone to justify an exception to the 10-13 episode season rule. There simply isn't enough development in the two episode OVA, which I would argue that the setting and world building are not even the main focus. The focus is primarily on Alpha's daily routine, her relationships and subtle suggestions about the philosophy of her existence. Even if the much large source material of 14 volumes of manga were allowed, it would be a dubious inclusion at best because the world is hardly developed extensively outside of Alpha's cafe. France, The Rose of Versailles Primarily because I believe this world lacks distinctiveness. This entry also suffers from the fact that it's setting is mostly historical with no fantasy, sci-fi, supernatural, or other comparable elements to draw on. I admit there is much attention to developing the fictional characters and how they impact events within its own historical context, but I believe this is insufficient on its own. I think similar historical period pieces will likely fall into the same trap unless they are loosely adopted and have elements beyond the confines of the history genre. What we have here is simply a pure historical setting with fictional characters and some oddball stylistic elements, not enough to qualify for a distinctive world. Supporting Twelve Kingdoms World of One Piece Humankind Empire Abh World of Pokemon Gold Crown Town World of Wolf's Rain I am starting a draft for a Spice and Wolf nomination soon, but if someone else what's to jump on it, that's fine too. I am also a bit surprised that a Moribito nomination is missing because I thought it would be a front runner, but I have feeling that guide would be a more difficult one to hammer out. Plus, personally, it's been forever since I have watched that series. |
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Aylinn
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Yeah, I forgot Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō has to little anime material. But as for The Rose of Versailles, didn't we agree that historical settings are allowed? I think there was a discussion about whether they should be allowed.
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Olliff
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The problem with The Rose of Versailles setting isn't that it has historical elements, it's that the setting is not distinctly different or developed to be drastically changed within its own context. I think it is also important to separate strong character and plot development from what the focus of this tournament is, world building and setting development. While strong in the former, the ladder is not the focus of the series and the setting is not developed enough to make it distinctly differentiated. For example, Le Chevalier D'Eon is also a historical anime, but its world is distinctly different enough with the introduction of magic, fantasy and the occult. Having a more pure historical genre puts it at a distinct disadvantage, and barring a jarring alternate history setting like if the Roman Empire still ruled the world during this period or European dominance in Japan like what have in Code Geass, its difficult for a purely historical genre to qualify for this tournament due to lack of setting distinctiveness. This tournament is already one of the least restrictive we have ever had, and I believe some restrictions needs to apply to nominations where the world is not sufficiently differentiated.
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MorwenLaicoriel
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I was debating that myself. On one hand, the ways that everyone that appears in the show are connected to one another gives a really strong idea of how the city is set up, as well as the way that Japan as a whole reacts to the Maromi craze. On the other hand, there's never a really clear explanation for how the supernatural elements of the series work. The "rules" for it always seemed a little vague to me (which is on purpose, I think, but I'm not sure if it makes for a strong argument in this tournament). Voting For: Gold Crown Town (Princess Tutu) (I also think the Story-Spinners, the Book Men, and the Crows should be listed as important groups.) Sternbild City (Tiger and Bunny) The World of Pokemon Gunsmoke (Trigun) Nominating: Aburaya (the Bathhouse) Franchise: Spirited Away Magic/Technological Base: Mythological Japan, 1990s Important Locations: (I can't think of any location within the bathhouse to put here) Important Groups: Aburaya's employees, the guests Description: In the process of moving to their new home, Chihiro and her parents explore what they believe to be an abandoned amusement park and stumble upon a gateway into the spirit world. Much of the action takes place in a bathhouse where Japanese mythological spirits are served, run with an iron fist by Yu-baaba, the owner, who steals her servant's names as a way to control them. When her parents are turned into pigs as punishment for stealing food, Chihiro is forced to work at the bathhouse while she finds a way to save her parents, and interacts with many different types of spirits along the way. What Makes The World-Building Great: The bathhouse features a huge number of different types of spirits from a radish spirit to river dragons to No-Face and Yu-baaba herself. Within the bathhouse there's a clear power structure and a defined set of rules for how the spirit world works, in particular the power of people's names. Picture Link: http://thenullset.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/spirited_away.jpg |
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MorwenLaicoriel
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I haven't seen Rose of Versailles myself, but I can see how a show in a historical setting could be nominated. If the series does a particularly good job of introducing an audience to the setting, fleshing out the mood of the era and the political structures of the day, I think that should be allowable. After all, just because the setting actually existed doesn't mean that the audience would be familiar to it, so world-building is just as important as it is in a fantasy or sci-fi series. |
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Key
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Family's finally gone, so I finally have time to make a proper list. Expect an update on the OP before the end of the night.
A few things I've noticed looking through the first page (and that's all of the farther that I've gotten so far, so if this is discussed later on I apologize): *The World of A Certain Magical Index and A Certain Scientific Railgun will be officially known as Academy City - and no, this isn't open for debate, so don't bother to try. Although groups from outside of the city do appear, and although a couple of episodes do features events outside of the city, the overwhelming majority of the content either takes place in the city or else directly concerns it. *To preserve confusion, LoGH's setting will be officially known as Legend of the Galactic Heroes' Milky Way. (And yes, feel free to abbreviate it.) *The Girls und Panzer setting will be officially known as Sensha-do Universe. *I am big issues with the write-up for 1648 Testament Era Japan (i.e., the Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere setting). First, it reads much less like a setting description and much more like a detailed backstory. Second, how much of that is actually revealed in the series? Does all of that come out in the second season? They sure don't explain anywhere near all of that in the first season. More updates on these matters as I go through the list. Also, when doing this write-ups, try to avoid "I think that" statements. |
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Vaisaga
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Well, that's a shame because Academy City on its own is a far weaker constestant since now we have to pretty much ignore all the magic side of things like the rivalry between churches and freakin' angels.
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Thatguy3331
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Yeah, I love the world of Index though I have to say as far as what was release in the animated seasons form we haven't really gotten into the real nitty gritty of the universe just yet. I think we just got too excited  [/i]
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getchman
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wasn't sure how to go about it, so I'll rewrite if you want me to, but I'd suggest listening to the narrator at the end of ep 1. he pretty much says most of what I typed. Suzu's review in Ep 2 as well |
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Jose Cruz
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Voting For:
Legend of the Galactic Heroes' Milky Way Nominating: Nausicaa's Post-Apocalyptic Earth Franchise: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (Movie & Manga) Magic/Technological Base: Future Earth circa 3100 AD Important Locations: Toxic forests that are constituted by two layers: a living upper layer and a lower layer of petrified forests, vast deserts and few lands suited to human settlement. Important Groups: Several small nations, some major powers are the Tolmekian Empire and Pejitei city state (and Dorok empire in the manga). Description: It is the planet Earth set a thousand years after the collapse of industrial civilization, due to ecological collapse combined with global nuclear war. Most of Earth's surface is occupied by massive forests that inject toxic chemicals into the atmosphere, only a small fraction of Earth's surface is inhabitable. Most of the fauna consists of massive insects, which can grown as large as blue whales. In the inhabitable lands there are mammals (squirrel fox) and birds (horse claws). What Makes The World-Building Great: There is a vast richness of imagination involved in creating such a world where the remnants of mankind became insignificant next to the vast swarms of massive insectoid Ohmu (spoiler[which were revealed in the manga to be biological terraforming machines, used to return Earth to it's pristine state]), the world's new dominant species. Miyazaki's world building is also very realistic (not in absolute terms, of course, but in terms of constructing internally consistent worlds), something quite rare in works of science fiction and fantasy: this fictional Earth is described in such detail that it even appears perfectly possible. A complex world where the technological complexity of the remnants of human civilization are quite reduced as result of the loss of most of the Earth's formerly inhabitable surface combined with the lack of continuity between the institutions of the pre-apocalyptic world and the post-apocalyptic world, however many advanced technologies still are used and maintained (like the massive flying ships, advanced ceramics) alongside technologies that are already obsolete in our world (swords). As result we have late medieval style armor made of advanced ceramics, a mix of science fiction and medievalism. The state of mankind is also very gloomy adding to the dramatic weight of the movie and (specially) the manga. Picture Links: http://www.jamesaxler.com/images/nausicaa2.jpg http://cinema.cornell.edu/Fall2012/images/nausicaa.jpg http://images.static-bluray.com/reviews/3943_4.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zAzSaIR3TCg/TCCw1lnZ5ZI/AAAAAAAAAAk/4nv4_8wZKvg/s1600/nausicaa9.jpg[/img] |
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marie-antoinette
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While I can definitely see where the arguments against Rose of Versailles are coming from, I still think that the setting is used to such an extent to make it a worthy contender.
One of the criteria floating around when the topic was still being determined was the idea about whether the story could be told in a different setting and still be as effective. In Rose of Versailles' case, it definitely could not be. And not just because it wouldn't be about the French Revolution then, since there could be revolutionary stories in completely original worlds. But it wouldn't have had the same effect as using France at this time period, at least not IMO. Also, the series goes into greater detail about the time period than most would be expected to know. And so, while I agree that it is weaker in the originality area, Rose of Versailles certainly executes quite well and I definitely believe it should be a contender in this tournament. |
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