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Dranxis
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Alright, so I just finished watching Perfect Blue, and I'm a little confused by the ending. spoiler[So, Rumi was the one trying to kill Mima, right? Was this out of jealousy or something? Was she also the one who killed the photographer (or was that Mima herself?)] I know the movie is supposed to make you confused as to what is real and not, but if anyone could clear up these questions for me before I watch it again it'd be really helpful...
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Key
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Posts: 18461 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
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As near as I can tell, spoiler[it was Rumi all along, and she was just shown as Mima in the one killing perhaps because she was dressing as Mima or just because Satoshi Kon, the writer and director, wanted to mess with your head. And she did what she did out of jealousy over Mima taking on the kind of career she once had herself, one which she was too old for anymore.]
Hope this helps. Also notice that spoiler[the only time in the movie where there's a clear sky is at the end, after Mima's dramatic confrontation with Rumi.] That's partly where the title, which has a double-meaning, comes from. |
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Dranxis
Posts: 591 Location: Ohtori Academy |
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Ah, thank you. spoiler[Rumi being the "culprit" makes alot of sense if you think about it. ] I plan to watch the movie again in Japanese tonight and I'll look out for all the clues that lead up to that twist.
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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Yes that what I thought spoiler[that Rumi was behind all of, although it took me about three-four times to come to that. ]I really love this movie, and I would recommend for so many more people, but do to the graphic content it a little hard for me to do that. Anyone else ever feel like with this title? You know telling someone how great it is and then you remember the spoiler[sex] scene and you wonder if it ok to show your friends? Or more importantly will your friends think your some sort of hentai freak. Anyways back on track, you know what key?
So then wait at what time is spoiler[Mimi actually herself, all the scene except for any dealing with the killing. What about the dramatic finish, where Mimi has to fight for her life?] Augh this movie makes your head spin, but I like it. I am trying to get into Mind Game since it has been recommended to me, but I am having trouble starting it. Does it become like perfect blue, meaning does it have the same feel to it? Till next time, Delta Kiral |
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Dargonxtc
Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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Yea I think how I figured out spoiler[Rumi was killing everyone, when you go back and watch all times that Rumi was trying so hard to make Mima stay away from the Television business and to stay a little "girl" by keeping her in the music industry.]
Till next time, Delta Kiral |
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Dargonxtc
Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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Till next time, Delta Kiral |
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Shiroi Hane
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The film was classified as 18 by the BBFC.
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Cloe
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Posts: 2728 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
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I explained my take on Perfect Blue in this older thread. My perspective remains pretty much the same.
Apples and oranges. Where Perfect Blue is a psychological thriller that plays with the viewer's head through oblique storytelling, Mind Game is more an exploration of pure thought and emotion carried out through stylistic animation. Its narrative is fairly straightforward. See this thread for more details. |
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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Till next time, Delta Kiral |
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DKL
Posts: 1962 Location: California, USA |
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Woah, yay, Satoshi Kon anime, awesome…
So… Uhh… I’ll plug in my two cents since it’s too late for me to be watching Monster (as I like using the speakers, since headphones are lame). Where to start? spoiler[The neat thing about Rumi’s confusion of identity (actually, the whole movie was about identity confusion, I mean, it was seamlessly integrated into the storytelling, much like how Kon did it with his insight in Paranoia Agent) is that when she thinks she’s Mima, the only time the viewers can actually tell this visually is when you see her either disoriented (a piece of her wig falling off) or shown in a mirror/glass (like the ending); I think it’s supposed to be symbolic… like “the mirror shows the truth” or whatever. The ending where Mima sees herself, all messed up and dirty and crap, in the glass reminds her of the fact that she is the real Mima and nobody else. We see Mima during that murder of the smutty photos dude mainly because Rumi thinks she’s “Mima;” since Rumi is under the impression that she’s Mima (she had that damn wig, probably), the viewers should be too; it’s a nice trick. Also, take note of the fact that Rumi actually has the murder weapon used here and in the end (that ice-pick thing). Actually, Rumi pretty much killed all of the people that were murdered in the series. Me-Mania didn’t do a whole lot other than stalking and trying to preserve the image of the false Mima (which was actually interesting to watch, so don’t disregard his character); not totally sure though, but he probably got that guy from the beginning of the movie who was screwing around at the Cham concert (it was a hit-and-run… Rumi just used that ice-pick thing, so it doesn’t really match-up) The motivation for Rumi is interesting though: she’s trying to live her life through Mima now since Rumi was a failed pop-idol in the past (who I think was working with Mr. Tadakoro… but I’m not sure). So, when Mima started to divert from the idealized path of a J-Pop idol, Rumi was taking steps to try and fix things, albeit unconsciously. For example, the Double-Bind writer guy gets owned mainly because it was his idea to write Mima into a rape scene. Tadakoro (am I spelling his name right?) gets his too when he makes some sly comment about how the whole sex thing is regular in Mima’s next acting gigs. As for scenes where Kon is screwing around… I dunno. For the most part, Kon knows what the hell he wants to say with this specific piece of work (more later) and even then, the actual mystery is rather polished since there’s evidence everywhere (like those scenes where it looks like Mima is doing the same day over and over again… uh… more crap gets shoved onto the screen, so you know it’s not the same day). I specifically remember a lot of the last scenes though; there’s one where Kon gets you to think that Mima was just making up another personality (as shown by substituted footage of double-bind… er… Lia Sergeant or maybe the ADR editors kinda screwed this part up though since Mima still uses “Mima Kirigoe” even though it’s on the Double-Bind shoot in reality); Kon also gets you to think that the movie ends when Mima defeats the evil Otaku, Me-mania. I think there was more, but yeah, disregard… if anything, it’s fun and adds to the experience. The actual ending is pretty much face-value of what you see in the last scenes: Rumi was screwed up in the head, Mima is now a famous actress. The closing scene where Mima claims to be an actress actually ties everything in the movie together (it’s not as ambiguous and rushed as people might think). Okay, so, what is Kon trying to say? While the movie had its fair share of suspenseful awesomeness, there was a surprisingly intelligent message about people’s perception of identity: In the context of being in the eyes of the public, who defines my identity? Myself or the media? Am I a pop-idol or an actress? Is that person on the web page really me? (er… it isn’t… although, at one point in the movie, Mima starts to believe that the person on the web page is her, but we all know it isn’t… that’s just Me-Mania using info Rumi e-mailed to him) Oh yes, it’s totally getting clear! Yeah, the media and mass communication plays an important role in this series (much like Paranoia Agent); just love that competent depiction of modern-day technology. Anyway, the entire movie, the viewers follow Mima through her indecision; she can’t seem to decide who she would rather be: a pop-idol or an actress? There are moments though where she outright regrets it (being an actress); anyone remember the scene where she imagined herself celebrating with the other members of Cham over the success of their entry into one of those pop chart things? Also, the rape scene is a point of interest; while she wasn’t really raped, she was raped metaphorically; er… her idol image got raped. When you think about it, it’s sort of the same thing as actual rape from a psychological standpoint (or, at least, Kon conveyed it this way… I liked that scene where she had a confrontation with an imaginary self, deemed “Virtual Mima”… I think).] Anyway, all in all… I think that covers most of it. I’m fairly certain with my interpretation since I got the evidence in order, but that’s no guarantee that I’m totally correct; Kon seems to like to leave things up to viewer interpretation even though I, in my opinion, think that he actually builds a lot of his ideas in a rather logically coherent manner that has an actual point even though its shrouded in ambiguity. Yeah, I think it’s that trait of coherent ambiguity (?!) that makes Kon’s stuff stand out the most… I mean, it’s creative, if anything. When does Paprika come out again? |
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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That wholespoiler[ rape scene is very powerful and yes beyond what actually going in that scene you have to think about what you mention how this rape scene is literally destroying her image and forces Mima into this whole new world where she won't be that girl next door.] Btw DKL your post was a very interesting read, and for that you recieve some DAP. Till next time, Delta Kiral |
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DKL
Posts: 1962 Location: California, USA |
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Awesome...
er... what's DAP? (I'm pretty sure it's awesome though) Anyway, I'm looking forward to Paprika... someone should bother Masao Maruyama about it (and the Ninja Scroll movie and the Highlander movie and the Trigun movie) if he attends Otakon this year |
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