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jaybug39
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I have been trying to figure out how to talk about last night's AS anime segment, with FMA, NGE, and Paranoia Agent. I was just wondering, if anyone else thought that the episodes shown last night, were as important to their respective stories, as I thought.
I was really glad I caught the early running shows, as I had no way to stop and go back, so I stayed up and watched the second time around to verify some things. Reasons for my thinking these important episodes:Roy Mustang, shows he cares, we discover the story of NERV. This was my first episode watched of Paranoia Agent. I had some good chuckles with this one, but don't know what is what with this series, yet. While I wouldn't consider the episodes shown last night to be the best of each series, I do think that they were important to the overall story lines. It is more difficult to assign the why's to FMA, than for NGE, what is more important than the whole reason for everything? No the answer is not 42! I guess I would say that FMA was a character study, we learned how people feel about things, and why they do what they do. Why Lt. Hawkeye, does things differently than Lt. Rossi(sic?), for example. Last edited by jaybug39 on Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:19 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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hellfire104
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watching too much anime on AS is not healthy for you as an anime viewer. The anime they show on AS is generally guilty pleasure anime and personally i think it should be avoided.
Granted there are some shows that are an exception. Try finding some of those classics that insite thought and analysis. I like to think of then as intellectual animes: Air Now and Then, Here and There Lain Haibane Renmei these are a few. Personally i think NTHT is an absolute must see for an anime fan striving to be well rounded. Thats all! Bittorrent is a good source. Try a bit of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni or Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and see where you find yourself. Take care! |
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frentymon
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You know, elitism is not healthy for you either. I think they have a good selection of anime on [AS] (especially Eureka 7; I admit to being an E7 fanboy), and (most of them) have pretty good dubs. I've watched almost all the anime on your list of "intellectual" anime, and I still enjoy watching [AS] just as much as the next person. [EDIT] I did not catch adult swim on 6/12, but I still recall stuff about the FMA episode that was aired, so I guess I can comment on that. spoiler[I agree, it is a pretty pivotal episode, with some vital events that occur. Hearing Roze speak for the first time in ages was a first, and although she didn't say much, it still meant that she was finally getting a bit stronger. Scar beginning his plans was pretty vital to the storyline as well. The battle in Lior has finally begun, and it is all out savegry from here on. Some emotionally high moments as well, but as I have not seen the dub of this particular episode, I can't comment on the dub track. I *almost* feel sorry for Tucker too, even though he killed off his own daughter, seeing him suffer in such a way is still quite painful.] I heard Paranoia Agent was quite a disturbing anime, and seeing as how one incredibly disturbing anime has me awe-striken right now (Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni), it is on my next-to-watch list. Also, to hellfire104's point that [AS] is "guilty pleasure anime," Paranoia Agent fits in quite nicely to "intellectual" anime such as Higurashi. [EDITEDIT] Sorry about the excessive edits. My grammar is...a bit off today. And a bunch of weird tag problems too. Last edited by frentymon on Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:47 pm; edited 6 times in total |
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jaybug39
Posts: 552 Location: Oregon, Is it FOOTBALL yet? |
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Wow, you can't get more off topic than that can you?
I wished to discuss as I posted, as I have already seen what you suggested. Thank you for playing. |
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Key
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Okay, so some series he just lumped under "guilty pleasure" anime include NGE, Paranoia Agent, GITS:SAC, and Fullmetal Alchemist, a list which not only includes one of the most critically-acclaimed anime series ever but also three of the most critically-acclaimed anime series of the past few years. The title he named in his post are certainly top titles (well, okay, I don't know about Air myself), but I think a leeeetle bit of perspective is called for here. 
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frentymon
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The one difference between these so-called "guilty pleasure" [AS] titles and the ones he mentioned in that list is that these [AS] titles are quite popular in the West (relatively), while the titles in the list are much less known to the typical anime fan here. So, the only "factor" that would make viewing these [AS] titles "guilty pleasure" is popularity, I guess. |
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Kurosaki_Ichigo_1000
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bennyb
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Everyone made valid points, and I gotta say Hellfire was waaaaay off. Only difference in those is obscurity, not intellectualism. Paranoia agent is a mindf*#k too, if I do say so myself. (I never saw the last episode, did it conclude... ANYTHING? spoiler[Little slugger real? not real? just peoples inner desire to escape?])
I really wanna see that episode of FMA now to see spoiler[ how Roze's voice sounded in her first speech in a looooong long time] I'll comment on E7 next weekend as I've taped all the episodes but haven't watched em yet. Show looks just gorgeous too, and I usually don't like mecha anime. |
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morsmaestro
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Apparently not that much, no. Paranoia Agent is, in my opinion, actually intellectual as well as obscure, as it deals with human nature acting in society. I totally underestimated this series when I watched a random episode the first time around. I find it to be very thought-provoking. I think a large part of it is a deep study of mankind. I'll get to monday's NGE and FMA, but first, my thoughts on hellfire104's post. Many shows, like FMA, are popular because they contain more intellectual depth to them. Just because some of it is shallow doesn't necessarily mean the work as whole is at all. While not being as intellectual and/or artistic as the ones in his list (IMO), they definitely have that edge that gives them their popularity. As to the NGE episode, I thought it was important to the overall story, mainly because the original reason, that we learn the whole story behind NERV (Well, no, not the whole story, but yeah) For FMA, I thought it was great. Having seen the full series when it aired last time around, I can say that it only gets better. The last leg of the series gets really good, and that episode was no exception. A lot of what makes FMA good is the character development and growth, and it is a lot about people. Throughout the course of the series, the revealing of Mustang's feelings about the whole military corruption, his standpoint on orders and promotions and whatnot, are amazing character developments. Mustang is definitely one of the deepest and most well-developed characters in FMA. And that's my last post for at least a few days, since I'll be (temporarily) moving to Montana for the summer. See y'all later... |
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Pleroma
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Air is not "intelectual anime" sorry. It IS good, but lumping it in with the likes of Haibane Renmei is ridiculous.
I think we can all agree AS has been piling on the original shows a bit too thick lately (I find them pretty funny, but it gets old after a while) and would do well to get some more anime into theri lineups, but what they do show is generally top of the line anime and they deserve recognition for it. |
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frentymon
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There have been as many "I don't understand Air" threads as "I don't understand Haibane Renmei" threads. Maybe even more. Air may not be "intellectual" up the level of Haibane Renmei, but it still makes you think. I think [AS] is good in that it is able to move many Western fans out of the "typical Shonen" territory and into some more...thoughtful anime. Granted, Full Metal Alchemist can probably be grouped into "typical Shonen" as well, but it is probably the best shonen series I've seen other than Hunter x Hunter. Without [AS], knowledge of anime in the U.S. and other places would probably be much more limited, and more people would think that anime is just Pokemon and Dragonball Z. |
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cheezisgoooood
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I think Adult Swim actually tends to pick the greatest series around. Just because a show is famous doesn't mean that for some stretch of logic they are inferior to shows that aren't as well-known. Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, NGE, Samurai Champloo, Paranoia Agent, FullMetal Alchemist, you're telling me none of those are as good as the ones you mentioned in your post? I've seen Air and I own Serial Experiments Lain, and although I love Lain, I loathed Air for reasons I could rant on for ages. There are very few anime on [as] that I don't like. |
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jaybug39
Posts: 552 Location: Oregon, Is it FOOTBALL yet? |
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OT Is there any way I can relate your post to what I was trying to discuss in my original post? This sucks, I can't even make intelligent comments about my subject, as it is more fun to whine about this or that, than to actually talk about what I wanted to talk about!
Start your own whining topics please, don't take over mine! On Topic: Yeah, how many realities are there in Paranoia Agent?spoiler[2? or is one not a real reality?] Sorry, but I have seen so few episodes to have any clue as to what is going on, but that does not mean it hasn't been a fun ride! I like this show. It is so easy to feel exactly like the detective. But the insanity makes sense! I caught the show last night, missed FMA, and NGE. Hope to catch all 3 tonight. |
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cheezisgoooood
Posts: 253 Location: Orlando, FL |
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As for the anime shown last night, I was attempting to go to bed earlier than I did, but due to over-stuffing myself with pizza, I felt sick and had to get up, drink water, and watch TV to calm down my stomach.
I ended up catching the whole episode NGE and some of Paranoia Agent. This particular episode of NGE was mind-blowing and slightly disturbing. An episode where Asuka's true thoughts and feelings were examined. I liked the episode a lot, as it was one of the later, crazier episodes in the series. As for PA, it was one of the more eery and unsettling episodes in the series, what with the huge storm constantly looming over the city while the detective ran about and the girl's disturbing past with her father was revealed. The scene with the laptop and the photos was one of the more disturbingly memorable scenes in the series. |
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jaybug39
Posts: 552 Location: Oregon, Is it FOOTBALL yet? |
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@toomuchcheezisnotgoooooood, sorry to hear that pal. I know what you are talking about.
I think we learned somethings, that maybe we wished we didn't know. I can't wait until either somehow it all makes sense, or I get to start from the beginning to figure out what is going on. Because it looked to me that the girl was all forgiving at shows conclusion last night. |
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