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DemonDragonJ



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:45 pm Reply with quote
I am a fan of erotic anime, or "hentai" anime, as it is known in this country, being a nineteen-year-old male currently without a female companion. Razz (Yeah, I know; I need to get a girlfriend before I end up like Steve Carell from The 40-Year-Old Virgin.)

However, I have noticed a trend in hentai anime that I find to be seriously distrubing.

In many hentai series, numerous women-good-looking, supposedly intelligent women-are forced and/or blackmailed by one ugly, depraved janitor, doctor, or other sick pervert into performing all manner of degrading sexual acts. Evil or Very Mad Prime examples are Shusaku Replay and Night Shift Nurses, which, in my mind, are definiately two of the worst hentai animes ever written.

Why do such anime series exist?, I often ask myself. I know that the creators of these series are attempting to exercise freedom of expression, but to write such a series, one would have to have some serious mental problems, in my mind. Anime of this nature is insulting to both women and men: women, because it portrays them as being weak-willed and existing only for men's pleasure; and men, because it portrays them as sexual predators who think only with their "lower heads."

What does everyone else think about this? Any feedback would be much appreciated.

P.S.-to the moderators: will posting a thread such as this result in my being banned from these message boards? Because I am merely attempting to express my opinion on a matter, and I do not wish to break any rules in doing so.


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Iemander



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:14 pm Reply with quote
Well, why not?

People need to step out of the idea that everything that shows on TV is a representation of themselves and take it for what it is, a piece of fiction. Why does there need to be a "goal"? Or some kind of "moral"? And why in Gods name do people always feel the need to step in and change other people's works just because they don't like it. It has nothing to do with you, if you don't like it, then please just go and don't look back.

This also reminds me of your other thread I'm not willing to respond to. There are alot of responses which say something in the veign of "A short series needs to have all the answers set", what a load of crap really. A series doesn't have to make any sense if the writers didn't want it, it's not because all the answers aren't there that the series is automatically rated as "less worthy", that's just what you think, so just leave it be and let the rest that DO enjoy it, enjoy it, instead of moaning all over how crap the series is.

Sorry if this sounds a little hard edged, I'm in alot of pain right now Laughing .
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TranceLimit174



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:14 pm Reply with quote
DemonDragonJ wrote:
Anime of this nature is insulting to both women and men: women, because it portrays them as beign weak-willed and existing only for men's pleasure; and men, because it portrays them as sexual predators who think only with their "lower heads."


That's not just hentai, that's porn. Porn always falsely portrays men and women in one way or another (and by this I mean in any light that easily leads to sex). The reason why creators use "ugly, depraved janitor, doctor, or other sick perverts" is because well, that's kind of one of the audiences they're aiming for (I'm not trying to be derrogatory to anyone watches porn and I'm not gonna say I'm above viewing it from time to time). The creators are trying to tell the viewer "this can happen to you. Most women might find you ugly or creepy but one day a bootylicious babe will come to you and fullfill every desire you have." It's the same basic appeal a lot of harem anime uses. I see porn as more of an activity than actual viewing material, and because of that it's an engaging experience (i.e. throwing away a general grasp of reality) seeing a guy who doesn't have a perfect body or a chin you could graze cheese off of getting to have his way with a woman who for the sake of argument is sexually ideal conciously or sub-conciously indulges male fantasy. It's all a matter of reeling in a certain audience.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:14 pm Reply with quote
Well, my guess would be a culture gap. Anime fandom is itself a sub-culture within American culture and is likely a sub-culture within Japanese culture as well. You're crossing two gaps in that situation and as such common tastes and mass appeal will vary simply because "erotic anime" is made mostly with Japanese audiences in mind.
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Coffeeman



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:53 pm Reply with quote
In order to reinforce the idea that this happens in all porn;

Ron.
Jeremy.

But I think it's mainly a psychological thing.

If, like many users of pornography, you're an ugly janitor-type, then perhaps you can place yourself into the fantasy of having sex with a porn star.

Even if you're better looking than that, the ugly male who has to force women to have sex with him is much less, shall we say, intimidating sexually, to the viewer, than a flawless pretty boy.

As for the prepondence towards rape, blackmail, bondage etc...

One part of this is that, well, it tends to cut out the boring stuff. Which is to say, it doesn't need to show the romancing, the trust, and such. Just bing bam boom, sex.
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DemonDragonJ



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:06 pm Reply with quote
Coffeeman wrote:
In order to reinforce the idea that this happens in all porn;

Ron.
Jeremy.

But I think it's mainly a psychological thing.

If, like many users of pornography, you're an ugly janitor-type, then perhaps you can place yourself into the fantasy of having sex with a porn star.

Even if you're better looking than that, the ugly male who has to force women to have sex with him is much less, shall we say, intimidating sexually, to the viewer, than a flawless pretty boy.

As for the prepondence towards rape, blackmail, bondage etc...

One part of this is that, well, it tends to cut out the boring stuff. Which is to say, it doesn't need to show the romancing, the trust, and such. Just bing bam boom, sex.


What intersting feedback I am receiving. I do not understand how an ugly brute could possibly be less sexually intimidating than a "flawless pretty boy," as Coffeeman puts it.

I do not enjoy pornography that has no plot. I much prefer romance and relationship development and such as opposed to "Bing, bang, boom, sex," as Coffeeman phrases it.

One more thing: who are Ron and Jeremy?
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cozytime3



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:13 pm Reply with quote
Locked. No talking about porno; you should've read the rules before posting. Confused
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TranceLimit174



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:25 pm Reply with quote
DemonDragonJ wrote:
Coffeeman wrote:
In order to reinforce the idea that this happens in all porn;

Ron.
Jeremy.

But I think it's mainly a psychological thing.

If, like many users of pornography, you're an ugly janitor-type, then perhaps you can place yourself into the fantasy of having sex with a porn star.

Even if you're better looking than that, the ugly male who has to force women to have sex with him is much less, shall we say, intimidating sexually, to the viewer, than a flawless pretty boy.

As for the prepondence towards rape, blackmail, bondage etc...

One part of this is that, well, it tends to cut out the boring stuff. Which is to say, it doesn't need to show the romancing, the trust, and such. Just bing bam boom, sex.


What intersting feedback I am receiving. I do not understand how an ugly brute could possibly be less sexually intimidating than a "flawless pretty boy," as Coffeeman puts it.

I do not enjoy pornography that has no plot. I much prefer romance and relationship development and such as opposed to "Bing, bang, boom, sex," as Coffeeman phrases it.

One more thing: who are Ron and Jeremy?


It's not two people. It's one man, Ron Jeremy. He has starred in more adult films than any other porn actor/actress last I checked. Also, he's an overweight individual who generally would not be seen as an attractive man (although things were much different when he was younger). Anyway, as far as the ugly brute thing, think about it. How many women do you consider to be gorgeous do you approach without any hesitation? For lack of a better way of phrasing, people who are considered 'beautiful' seem unapproachable because of thier physical appearance which makes them intimidating. Someone who has seen as ugly is not intimidating in the sexual sense because they can be approached and there is a minimal if none at all fear of rejection.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:30 pm Reply with quote
cozytime3 wrote:
Locked. No talking about porno; you should've read the rules before posting. Confused


A: You do not have any authority here.
B: Ironically, it's clear by your asking for fansubs and backseat moderating that you yourself have not touched the rules.
C: "Locked" is trademarked. Expect to hear from my lawyers. Laughing
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DemonDragonJ



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:42 pm Reply with quote
TranceLimit174 wrote:
It's not two people. It's one man, Ron Jeremy. He has starred in more adult films than any other porn actor/actress last I checked. Also, he's an overweight individual who generally would not be seen as an attractive man (although things were much different when he was younger). Anyway, as far as the ugly brute thing, think about it. How many women do you consider to be gorgeous do you approach without any hesitation? For lack of a better way of phrasing, people who are considered 'beautiful' seem unapproachable because of thier physical appearance which makes them intimidating. Someone who has seen as ugly is not intimidating in the sexual sense because they can be approached and there is a minimal if none at all fear of rejection.


Okay, now I understand. I see your point about the whole ugly-versus-attractive scenario.

To the moderators-I am not in trouble, am I? Because cozytime3 said that this post was locked, and that we should not be discussing pornography on these message boards.

I would also like to ask; why is requesting fansubs not allowed on these message boards? I can understand the rule against backseat moderating, but I do not understand the rule against asking for fansubs.

To Nagisa-whose picture is that in your avatar? And why are signatures on these boards disabled? (I know that this question is off-topic, but I could not find a clear answer in "Teh Rules.")
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Iemander



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:50 pm Reply with quote
DemonDragonJ,

because fansubs are illegal. Well technically it would be alright if you just ask for the subs (not the actual videos), but in general terms, fansubs (including the actual videos) are illegal and allowing them would help ANN get in trouble with Anime companies.

And about your fear of getting banned, I think you would've at least gotten a warning already if someone put a WARNING sign on your head. I myself am a lazy reader, when I first came here I posted links to fansubs sites all over, but hey people make mistakes so don't sweat about it, just don't repeat mistakes and don't complain about any punishments either and you'll be fine.

But to the case, there's no actual rule that disallows people to talk about porno.
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DemonDragonJ



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:59 pm Reply with quote
Iemander wrote:
DemonDragonJ,

because fansubs are illegal. Well technically it would be alright if you just ask for the subs (not the actual videos), but in general terms, fansubs (including the actual videos) are illegal and allowing them would help ANN get in trouble with Anime companies.

And about your fear of getting banned, I think you would've at least gotten a warning already if someone put a WARNING sign on your head. I myself am a lazy reader, when I first came here I posted links to fansubs sites all over, but hey people make mistakes so don't sweat about it, just don't repeat mistakes and don't complain about any punishments either and you'll be fine.

But to the case, there's no actual rule that disallows people to talk about porno.


Thanks; I feel relieved. Very Happy
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cozytime3



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:01 pm Reply with quote
I was just joking. But I wonder if it is off topic though cause this is an anime forum and porno isn't anime.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:12 pm Reply with quote
Yet hentai is most certainly anime.

Anyway, the subject is disturbing situations in hentai. The discussion has been sidetracked by that quote from Ron Jeremy, there's a difference between an ugly guy getting laid and an ugly guy torturing some sex bunny. Frankly, I find such hentai quite disturbing as well, primarily because I wonder if such things characterize the typical anime fan, and then I wonder if I should be one! Why do things such as Professor Pain exist? Because that's what sells, it feeds into certain fetishes, things that no one might actually do in real life, but will for a brief half-hour or so imagine doing. It's not terribly healthy, yet its fans don't want to be told that; they're too busy screaming "it's my right to watch what I want!" as if their rights are in question. Rolling Eyes

Contrary to what some people might say everything that shows on TV is a representation of ourselves, whether or not the resulting picture is to our liking or not is another issue. Of course I use "ourselves" in the global sense, and there is a certain segment of the global "us" that enjoys seeing women degraded sexually. Those who enjoy feeding such fetishes will keep on doing as they will, regardless of the damage it ends up doing to their relationships. "Meaningless fun," they say "it won't affect the way I treat my girlfriend/wife/daughter/whoever," as if the entertainment we choose says nothing about who we are. Nevertheless the fans of such works don't want to hear any criticism, there's not much to be done about it. Neutral
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:31 pm Reply with quote
Nagisa wrote:
cozytime3 wrote:
Locked. No talking about porno; you should've read the rules before posting. Confused


A: You do not have any authority here.
B: Ironically, it's clear by your asking for fansubs and backseat moderating that you yourself have not touched the rules.
C: "Locked" is trademarked. Expect to hear from my lawyers. Laughing


And a possible D....I thought you are allowed to talk about hentai/porno?

And for a more on topic statement. Each people have their own tastes. What you might find dumb another might find good. All I can say if you really don't like the hentai that's coming out don't watch it. Personally, I don't watch hentai so I really don't have room to judge them but I'll treat it as regular anime and say that someone must like it (The creator for one), so it's up to you to figure out what you like and ignore the rest.
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