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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:15 pm
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Quote: | This might help sell a lot of figurines, but it sure doesn't help in telling characters apart. |
I resent that this tends to be the first thought that pops up. You know who sells the most figures? Saber; we all now how much people gush over F/SN, critically too. Just because there are cute girls is no no indication they'll get scaled PVCs. Ladies Versus Butlers, another XEBEC show with Akio Takami character designs, only received one pitiful SD trading figure set, not even a measly SEGA prize figure or a Wave Beach Queens. Personally, I hope with fingers crossed it gets some decent figures, but it likely won't.
I get that it's just another cute girl with cute girls and no real substance to most, and I'm not going to say it's better than what you think it is, but I enjoy the hell out of it.
L is the L85A1, a point is which made painfully clear.
Quote: | The one thing viewers can be sure about in Upotte!! is that it isn't trying to make some kind of statement about the dangers of gun violence and its impact on innocent youth. |
Gun violence is hardly an epidemic is Japan, or even existent unless you're Yakuza and smuggled a handgun into the country. Perhaps that complete lack of gun violence makes the public view complacent or even ignorant of firearms or firearm culture. Hell, the mangaka had to ruin some perfectly good rifles by having them deactivated so he could bring them home. He owns the main cast, Galil, G3, and FAL, according to some extra manga pages. Gun ownership, legally, is beyond restrictive, and I have the feeling most Japanese gun nuts might only see them as toys or collectables and not real tools.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:49 pm
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A Western (especially American, but other countries as well) are going to have a vastly different reaction to this concept than its actual target audience.
Hell, there's a reason none of these characters are actually Japanese.
I do agree with the criticism of the character designs, and their rather bland sameyness. The manga has much more distinctive art for the main cast.
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amagee
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:36 am
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walw6pK4Alo wrote: |
Quote: | This might help sell a lot of figurines, but it sure doesn't help in telling characters apart. |
I resent that this tends to be the first thought that pops up. |
It's hard to admit, but it probably is quite true. I like Puella Magi, for example, and figurine sales for that were a major factor in its monetary success. This despite the fact that I find Japanese figurines to be more or less tasteless and degrading to most of the characters they portray (not like some of them need much help in this department though).
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Gun violence is hardly an epidemic is Japan, or even existent unless you're Yakuza and smuggled a handgun into the country. Perhaps that complete lack of gun violence makes the public view complacent or even ignorant of firearms or firearm culture. Hell, the mangaka had to ruin some perfectly good rifles by having them deactivated so he could bring them home. He owns the main cast, Galil, G3, and FAL, according to some extra manga pages. Gun ownership, legally, is beyond restrictive, and I have the feeling most Japanese gun nuts might only see them as toys or collectables and not real tools. |
It's quite interesting to read about anything involving a gun in Japan. Once one's involved, things get stupidly serious. Hell, yakuza love knives and swords because (at one time at least, not sure about today) one could get more jail time for illegal ownership of a gun than murdering a guy with a sword.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:40 am
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amagee wrote: |
It's hard to admit, but it probably is quite true. I like Puella Magi, for example, and figurine sales for that were a major factor in its monetary success. This despite the fact that I find Japanese figurines to be more or less tasteless and degrading to most of the characters they portray (not like some of them need much help in this department though). |
Thats....completely irrelevant.
Seriously. The cause-and-effect relationship is way more complicated.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:41 am
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amagee wrote: | It's hard to admit, but it probably is quite true. I like Puella Magi, for example, and figurine sales for that were a major factor in its monetary success. This despite the fact that I find Japanese figurines to be more or less tasteless and degrading to most of the characters they portray (not like some of them need much help in this department though). |
Popularity is a big factor in merchandising. So of course Madoka and Fate/Zero are going to get a lot of it, while something lesser like Upotte, MGX, or Dusk Maiden likely will not. Touhou Project, the ever popular bullet hell games, receives a goddamn ton of merchandise and will probably never see an anime unless ZUN dies. They don't just produce these things because cute girls exist, there has to be a some real demand for figure production that's a result of the popularity.
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Fronzel
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:01 am
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walw6pK4Alo wrote: |
Quote: | This might help sell a lot of figurines, but it sure doesn't help in telling characters apart. |
I resent that this tends to be the first thought that pops up. You know who sells the most figures? Saber; we all now how much people gush over F/SN, critically too. Just because there are cute girls is no no indication they'll get scaled PVCs. Ladies Versus Butlers, another XEBEC show with Akio Takami character designs, only received one pitiful SD trading figure set, not even a measly SEGA prize figure or a Wave Beach Queens. |
So what you're saying is that isn't even a venal excuse for the lazy character design?
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amagee
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:02 am
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A series simply won't be made unless they feel they can sell DVD's and other merchandise (this obviously includes figurines) to make a profit.
Something like Upotte!! with its short-skirted little girls with guns WILL sell figurines; as much as Fate/Zero or Puella Magi, never in a million years. But for something like this that lacks the ability to rake in loads of money, making the characters more similar (and hence figure production easier) will save them money so they'll get more bang for their buck on whatever they produce. I'm assuming that this is what the author was originally getting at and it makes perfect sense for the type of series he's discussing.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:13 am
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Fronzel wrote: |
walw6pK4Alo wrote: |
Quote: | This might help sell a lot of figurines, but it sure doesn't help in telling characters apart. |
I resent that this tends to be the first thought that pops up. You know who sells the most figures? Saber; we all now how much people gush over F/SN, critically too. Just because there are cute girls is no no indication they'll get scaled PVCs. Ladies Versus Butlers, another XEBEC show with Akio Takami character designs, only received one pitiful SD trading figure set, not even a measly SEGA prize figure or a Wave Beach Queens. |
So what you're saying is that isn't even a venal excuse for the lazy character design? |
If you want to see it that way. It goes ever further, figures that look shoddy or samefaced and unvaried won't sell as well or be as well received. The best figures are highly detailed and well-crafted, that reflects not only in their price, but how sought after they become in the after market once their initial runs end. The lazy character design is because that's how the character design is. Same-faced and no-nosed, and it's cheaper to animate. Figure buying isn't all willy-nilly and brainless just because it is a certain character. Brand recognition, sculpt, detail, painting, and so on really matter, and I don't think we'll be seeing Alter or GSC doing any Upotte figures. As for not making anime unless they think it's gonna sell, maybe, but that doesn't mean they'll go nuts in trying to push merchandise for an unpopular title. We'll be lucky to even get prize figures, because I'm still pissed LVB got nadda.
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Fencedude5609
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:13 am
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amagee wrote: |
Something like Upotte!! with its short-skirted little girls with guns WILL sell figurines; as much as Fate/Zero or Puella Magi, never in a million years. But for something like this that lacks the ability to rake in loads of money, making the characters more similar (and hence figure production easier) will save them money so they'll get more bang for their buck on whatever they produce. I'm assuming that this is what the author was originally getting at and it makes perfect sense for the type of series he's discussing. |
You want to to take some bets on that?
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superdry
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:16 am
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amagee wrote: |
Something like Upotte!! with its short-skirted little girls with guns WILL sell figurines; |
You would think, but it doesn't always happen. I don't know the peculiarities of anime merchandse licensing in terms of how the contracts are played out and how the company decides what to make, but some shows just never get a lot of merchandise made.
walw6pK4Alo gave a good example with Ladies vs. Butlers. Maken-ki hasn't really gotten too much merchandise either (it's slowly getting more stuff) - especially figures. You would think a show that features multitudes of pretty busty females would be ripe for figure making, but nope...only like three figures have been made.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:27 am
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superdry wrote: |
amagee wrote: |
Something like Upotte!! with its short-skirted little girls with guns WILL sell figurines; |
walw6pK4Alo gave a good example with Ladies vs. Butlers. Maken-ki hasn't really gotten too much merchandise either (it's slowly getting more stuff) - especially figures. You would think a show that features multitudes of pretty busty females would be ripe for figure making, but nope...only like three figures have been made. |
I can sit here and list off shows for a long time that either got no figures, or what they did get was terrible. Qwaser's only good figure was by Hobby Japan, while the rest are fairly ugly and made by Taki. So even if a show does get a figure, it doesn't mean I'll buy it or even want to buy it if it's not a good product. We're more discerning than that poster or the reviewer seem to believe, and the process of figure production and selling is more involved than:
show have cute girl > me say i like cute girl > they make figure > i buy figure > me big anime fan
My bet is that the innocuous and sweet anime Acchi Kocchi gets more and better quality figures than Upotte, judging how anime like A-Channel and LVB were received.
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superdry
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:35 am
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walw6pK4Alo wrote: |
I can sit here and list off shows for a long time that either got no figures, or what they did get was terrible. |
This sounds like a good campfire conversation. lol.
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Qwaser's only good figure was by Hobby Japan, while the rest are fairly ugly and made by Taki. |
Ugh...don't remind me of Taki and their "quality." Granted, I have like four of their figures where they actually did a decent job. But, most of their stuff was really blah.
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jymmy
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 4:50 am
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This was a very good review. It was concise, accurate and fair. I find the show dumb, bizarre and entertaining, but I also find it quite funny, especially the sequences with Funco's... interesting imagination and reactions. You can criticise quality of humour, but saying that a series "fails at comedy" is a step too far.
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The King of Harts
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:56 am
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Fencedude5609 wrote: |
amagee wrote: |
Something like Upotte!! with its short-skirted little girls with guns WILL sell figurines; as much as Fate/Zero or Puella Magi, never in a million years. But for something like this that lacks the ability to rake in loads of money, making the characters more similar (and hence figure production easier) will save them money so they'll get more bang for their buck on whatever they produce. I'm assuming that this is what the author was originally getting at and it makes perfect sense for the type of series he's discussing. |
You want to to take some bets on that? |
I want in on this. I'm still waiting for a figure of Aria from Sacred Blacksmith. A Yamada from B Gata H Kei would be nice as well. Also, a Ferris from LOL Heroes. Some Nyan Koi girls would be cool. walw6pK4Alo is right in that the list goes on and on, and that the thinking of "sexy/cute girls = tons of figures" is just a really uneducated (of the figure market) way of thinking.
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Chagen46
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 6:52 am
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Quote: | A Yamada from B Gata H Kei would be nice as well. |
As nice-looking as Yamada is, that'll never happen, the Otaku hate her for actually having a sexuality instead of being some moe virgin.
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