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Tenchi
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2003 10:59 pm
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I'm not remotely interested in discussing the merits or lack of them in producing a live action Evangelion film, nor the casting. Just, I've noticed fans on other anime boards treating this like it's a certainty, for better or for worse, but I'm still very skeptical as to whether it will actually be made. The conceptual drawings are fine and dandy, but it's been about 3 weeks since the initial announcement and I've yet to hear the most important detail of all: which live action film studio will actually be doing the thing? As far as I know, none of the 3 partners involved really has experience doing live action films (WETA being a special effects company), and I doubt that even with all their financial resources pooled together, they have the high eight digit or even nine digit (in American dollars) budget necessary to compete with other Hollywood blockbusters.
What I think is either they're making all these announcements and producing conceptual drawings so as to get a major studio interested, because without a major studio, I think this project is just a pipe dream. The other scenario that didn't really occur to me until I saw the conceptual art is that this thing may actually be done on the relative cheap by a Japanese movie studio, primarily for the Japanese market, and will only ever get limited theatrical release by ADV, if it doesn't go straight-to-video.
Well, we'll just have to wait and see. All I can say for certain at this point is that, if this is destined to be a major summer blockbuster, it won't be just from Gainax, ADV and WETA.
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king_micah
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:21 am
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Gainax being behind this suggest Anno will direct. Anno has gotten considerable experience recently with Love and Pop and his other live action works. Other firms will be brought in, and ADV does have past experience with Live Action. Weta will most likely be doing the fx work, leaving Gainax to do the rest with ADV. If I read things right, Anno has wanted to do a live action Eva since the orignal story boards for Episodes 25-26. He has probably most of what he wants figured out and the thing is, it will sell no matter what, and if backed will break into mainstream. If Eva breaks into mainstream via the movie, ADV will make an unfunny amount of sales. Thus they are willing to risk dough, as will more than a few Japanese firms. It all depends on the plans in the head of Anno and Gainax. That is most likely to effect the look, not financial backing, but Anno's madness will determine how this comes about.
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Ikari
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 9:51 am
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Actually, in response to the first post. A Major film company doesn't have to come anywhere near it actually. The way the film industry works in this capacity is that backers (be they companies or people) put the money up for the film to be made. The film then goes through the process of either getting a distributor, or getting into a major film festival and getting picked up. Most of the major directors of our time have made films in this way without a major studio backing them to begin with. So, your point is unfortunately flawed.
ADV, and Gainax (and maybe other companies like Production I.G. ect...) could quite feasibly pony up the money for the production of this film.....they don't need a studio to back them. They are familiar with the visual medium, and would have little trouble making this.
To be honest with you, if a company from Hollywood had its grubby little hands on it from the get go, I'd be VERY surprised. Gainax and Anno would not let the cheap hollywood suits decide what they will make. Hell, Anno's live action debut movie was about teenage prostitution....think anyone in hollyweird would have touched that? LOL
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Handgimp
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:27 pm
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Ikari wrote: | Hell, Anno's live action debut movie was about teenage prostitution....think anyone in hollyweird would have touched that? LOL |
Does anybody else see something backwards in that sentence?
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Ferquin
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:26 pm
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I'm sure various Hollywood studios would have acquired it through their smaller independent film companies had they known about it.
To answer the original question put forth, yeah, I think Eva will get made in live-action. I've seen some of those live-action scenes that were cut, some of it making it onto the DVDs as that weird trailer at the beginning. I can't remember who found them here, but they were at some fansite. Until I saw those, I had no idea that the women in that trailer on the Death/Rebirth DVD were actually Asuka, Rei, and Misato. If Anno is behind this and it's bankrolled by a film company whether large or small, it will get made. Either way, with Anno's direction, it'll be very weird and artsy.
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Ikari
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:32 pm
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Handgimp wrote: |
Ikari wrote: | Hell, Anno's live action debut movie was about teenage prostitution....think anyone in hollyweird would have touched that? LOL |
Does anybody else see something backwards in that sentence? |
It's all well and good to criticize the sentence, but perhaps you should explain, lest you look a fool.
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ChickMagnet
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:48 am
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Ikari wrote: |
Handgimp wrote: |
Ikari wrote: | Hell, Anno's live action debut movie was about teenage prostitution....think anyone in hollyweird would have touched that? LOL |
Does anybody else see something backwards in that sentence? |
It's all well and good to criticize the sentence, but perhaps you should explain, lest you look a fool. |
I think it's because it was said Hollywood was weird, and they wouldn't pick up a film about teenage prostitution.
I see weirder and more risque stuff late night on Showtime. At least Anno's was tastefully done.
"Love and Pop" was produced by Gainax by the way, to stay on topic.
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Aaron White
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 10:06 am
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Taxi Driver and Angel are two early-Eighties hollywood movies about teenage prostitution. "Angel-High School Honor Student By Day-Hollywood Hooker By Night!"
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Ikari
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:06 pm
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Okay, my point was only that Japanese filmakers are not at all scared to make movies that might make people cringe (ex. Takashi Miike {Ichii The Killer} Takeshi Kitano {Brother, Taboo} Kinji Fukasaku {Battle Royale}). They are not afraid like Americans are of what people in the bible belt, or in the goverment will think. The whole free speech thing means absolute crap as I see it. Big Hollywood film companies are so afraid to make really controversial films. Why? Because they feel people will object to the subject matter......Hideaki wouldn't care, he'd make his vision into a film under his rules, and that would give it the chance to be good.
That was my point behind my statement about Love & Pop, and give me a break, those 80's movies don't even come close to the calibre of Love & Pop....nice try though....bleh
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JETBLACK87
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:17 pm
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Ikari wrote: | Okay, my point was only that Japanese filmakers are not at all scared to make movies that might make people cringe (ex. Takashi Miike {Ichii The Killer} Takeshi Kitano {Brother, Taboo} Kinji Fukasaku {Battle Royale}). They are not afraid like Americans are of what people in the bible belt, or in the goverment will think. The whole free speech thing means absolute crap as I see it. Big Hollywood film companies are so afraid to make really controversial films. Why? Because they feel people will object to the subject matter......Hideaki wouldn't care, he'd make his vision into a film under his rules, and that would give it the chance to be good.
That was my point behind my statement about Love & Pop, and give me a break, those 80's movies don't even come close to the calibre of Love & Pop....nice try though....bleh |
Hollywood companies ar afraid to make controvesial movies cause they are way to afraid of losing money. I think that they are afraid of making a movie with no name actors for the same reasons. thats why they'd probably get some pretty boy who can't act like Elijah Wood.
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Aaron White
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:20 pm
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Taxi Driver's one of the best films of the past thirty years, hands down. It also features way more controversial material than anything in Eva.
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JETBLACK87
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:49 pm
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Aaron White wrote: | Taxi Driver's one of the best films of the past thirty years, hands down. It also features way more controversial material than anything in Eva. |
I like the one secene towards the end I think, when he goes into the building and the guy puts up his hands and DeNiro shoots the guys hand off with the magnum...me and my brother rewound it and watched it again. our jaws where droped.
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Mr Mania
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 4:14 pm
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Aaron White wrote: | Taxi Driver's one of the best films of the past thirty years, hands down. It also features way more controversial material than anything in Eva. |
Its nice to see somebody actually praising a Hollywood movie on this furom for once.Some times it seems that everybody here believes Japanese films shit all over the Amerian ones which just isnt true.
Quote: | Okay, my point was only that Japanese filmakers are not at all scared to make movies that might make people cringe (ex. Takashi Miike {Ichii The Killer} Takeshi Kitano {Brother, Taboo} Kinji Fukasaku {Battle Royale}). They are not afraid like Americans are of what people in the bible belt, or in the goverment will think. |
No its just that censoring is stricter in America at least from what I can gather.Making a film controversial doesnt make it good, Ichi the Killer for example isnt a good movie.A lot of the gore is comic in style,the direction is choppy and most of the characters are just plain lame.Was William Friedkin worried about what people in the 'bible belt' thought when he directed the exorcist,and keep in mind that was in the 70's.
Sorry this post was of topic
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DevilMan
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 10:42 pm
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Considering all the fandom (both here and in Japan) Eva will most certainly be made into a live-action film.
The real question here is will it get a US theatrical release when completed?
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Rune71
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2003 11:55 pm
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I think it WILL be made into one, but will NOT be made into a good one.
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