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INTEREST: Tiger Mask Donors Return on 1-Year Anniversary

Doubt these are anime fans

Besides, anime fans would have more to give if they haven't spent all their gift money on overpriced goods in Akihabara.

Doubt these are anime fans - Tiger Mask is a mainstream icon.

Other characters who "contributed" to the cause included Momotarō, Ashita no Joe, Evangelion's Rei Ayanami and Ryōji Kaji, Haruhi Suzumiya, Crayon Shin-chan, Arsène Lupin, Kamen Rider, the real-life samurai warlord (and Sengoku Basara character) Date Masamune, Kyojin no Hoshi, Stitch, and Tetsujin 28-gō.

Donors under the names of the K-ON! anime character Yui, Doraemon, Mario and Yoshi of the Super Mario games, Anpanman, Ai no Senshi Rainbowman, Seigi wo Aisuru Mono Gekkō Kamen, Hideto Matsumoto (X Japan's late guitarist hide), and Laputa: Castle in the Sky's Muska then helped push the number of donations to Japanese children's centers past 700 in January. A total of 620 backpacks and 24 million yen (US$290,000) were contributed between Christmas and mid-January. Then in November, another donor by the name of Ultra Seven donated one million yen (about US$12,809) to an orphanage in Hokkaido Prefecture.

enurtsol wrote:

Doubt these are anime fans

Because anime fans can't possibly be generous, amirite?

enurtsol wrote:

Besides, anime fans would have more to give if they haven't spent all their gift money on overpriced goods in Akihabara.

You don't know how much they earn nor how much of that goes to shopping or charity.

enurtsol wrote:

Doubt these are anime fans - Tiger Mask is a mainstream icon.

Ahem...

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Other characters who "contributed" to the cause included Momotarō, Ashita no Joe, Evangelion's Rei Ayanami and Ryōji Kaji, Haruhi Suzumiya, Crayon Shin-chan, Arsène Lupin, Kamen Rider, the real-life samurai warlord (and Sengoku Basara character) Date Masamune, Kyojin no Hoshi, Stitch, and Tetsujin 28-gō. Donors under the names of the K-ON! anime character Yui, Doraemon, Mario and Yoshi of the Super Mario games, Anpanman, Ai no Senshi Rainbowman, Seigi wo Aisuru Mono Gekkō Kamen, Hideto Matsumoto (X Japan's late guitarist hide), and Laputa: Castle in the Sky's Muska then helped push the number of donations to Japanese children's centers past 700 in January. A total of 620 backpacks and 24 million yen (US$290,000) were contributed between Christmas and mid-January. Then in November, another donor by the name of Ultra Seven donated one million yen (about US$12,809) to an orphanage in Hokkaido Prefecture.

Clearly these people chose Anime character names because they totally aren't into Anime.

Nemo_N wrote:

enurtsol wrote: Doubt these are anime fans Because anime fans can't possibly be generous, amirite?

Nah, because they can't possibly have much money left to be that generous. They barely leave just enough for their noodles and six-tatami abodes, while anime and merch prices are high.

Nemo_N wrote:

enurtsol wrote: Besides, anime fans would have more to give if they haven't spent all their gift money on overpriced goods in Akihabara. You don't know how much they earn nor how much of that goes to shopping or charity.

Charity or philanthropy actually isn't that well-known in Japanese culture, so that's out. And they do a lot of shopping.

Rukiia wrote:

enurtsol wrote: Doubt these are anime fans - Tiger Mask is a mainstream icon. Ahem... Quote: Other characters who "contributed" to the cause included Momotarō, Ashita no Joe, Evangelion's Rei Ayanami and Ryōji Kaji, Haruhi Suzumiya, Crayon Shin-chan, Arsène Lupin, Kamen Rider, the real-life samurai warlord (and Sengoku Basara character) Date Masamune, Kyojin no Hoshi, Stitch, and Tetsujin 28-gō. Donors under the names of the K-ON! anime character Yui, Doraemon, Mario and Yoshi of the Super Mario games, Anpanman, Ai no Senshi Rainbowman, Seigi wo Aisuru Mono Gekkō Kamen, Hideto Matsumoto (X Japan's late guitarist hide), and Laputa: Castle in the Sky's Muska then helped push the number of donations to Japanese children's centers past 700 in January. A total of 620 backpacks and 24 million yen (US$290,000) were contributed between Christmas and mid-January. Then in November, another donor by the name of Ultra Seven donated one million yen (about US$12,809) to an orphanage in Hokkaido Prefecture. Clearly these people chose Anime character names because they totally aren't into Anime.

Well, I was specifically referring to Tiger Mask, but you do have a point with the other ones.

Still, I don't think most of what you emphasized are mostly anime fans. Let's see........

Momotaro - popular Japanese folklore, familiar to every Japanese
Ashita no Joe - popular classic series
Crayon Shin-chan - like The Simpsons, known by regular Japanese
Arsene Lupin - can be considered a mainstream icon
Kamen Rider - tokusatsu, regular folks watch it with their kids
Date Masamune - a real-life samurai warlord
Doraemon - mainstream icon, like Mickey Mouse
Mario and Yoshi of the Super Mario games - known not just in Japan but globally
Anpanman - mainstream icon
Rainbowman - tokusatsu
Laputa: Castle in the Sky's Muska - like anything Ghibli, mainstream

So, chances are, those particular ones could've more easily been just regular folk - the same way donations made in the name of Homer Simpson or Spongebob Squarepants I wouldn't automatically consider to be into animation.

enurtsol wrote:

Well, I was specifically referring to Tiger Mask, but you do have a point with the other ones. Still, I don't think most of what you emphasized are mostly anime fans. Let's see........ Momotaro - popular Japanese folklore, familiar to every Japanese Ashita no Joe - popular classic series Crayon Shin-chan - like The Simpsons, known by regular Japanese Arsene Lupin - can be considered a mainstream icon Kamen Rider - tokusatsu, regular folks watch it with their kids Date Masamune - a real-life samurai warlord Doraemon - mainstream icon, like Mickey Mouse Mario and Yoshi of the Super Mario games - known not just in Japan but globally Anpanman - mainstream icon Rainbowman - tokusatsu Laputa: Castle in the Sky's Muska - like anything Ghibli, mainstream So, chances are, those particular ones could've more easily been just regular folk - the same way donations made in the name of Homer Simpson or Spongebob Squarepants I wouldn't automatically consider to be into animation.

K-on is an anime that is pretty much for anime fans and was one of the series who had characters who's names was used. also characters generally become cultural icons by being good characters that people like, and many anime fans LOVE conan edogawa and Luffy and they are mainstream the two things are not mutually exclusive

Nemo_N wrote:

enurtsol wrote: Doubt these are anime fans Because anime fans can't possibly be generous, amirite?

Nah, because they can't possibly have much money left to be that generous. They barely leave just enough for their noodles and six-tatami abodes, while anime and merch prices are high.

Nemo_N wrote:

enurtsol wrote: Besides, anime fans would have more to give if they haven't spent all their gift money on overpriced goods in Akihabara. You don't know how much they earn nor how much of that goes to shopping or charity.

Charity or philanthropy actually isn't that well-known in Japanese culture, so that's out. And they do a lot of shopping.

Hillis also argues that Confucianism influences Japanese charity. While Christianity encourages public repentance of sin (through charity), Confucianism discourages openly sharing the problems or needs of oneself or others. “Consequently, charitable work in Japan is preferably done in secrecy and without recognition.”

[snip]

Haddard notes, for example, that about 21 million Japanese volunteer in the Red Cross, while only about 1 million Americans volunteer (Japan has about half the population of the United States). There are almost three times as many volunteer firefighters in Japan as in the U.S. And nearly 90 percent of Japanese households are members of their neighborhood associations.

[snip]

In the real world, however, this doesn’t mean charity is not taking place in Japan. Neighborhood associations are facilitating aid and information exchanges, volunteer fire departments are making their way through miles of rubble, and employers are looking after their employees without flourish.

Tanteikingdomkey wrote:

enurtsol wrote: Well, I was specifically referring to Tiger Mask, but you do have a point with the other ones. Still, I don't think most of what you emphasized are mostly anime fans. Let's see........ Momotaro - popular Japanese folklore, familiar to every Japanese Ashita no Joe - popular classic series Crayon Shin-chan - like The Simpsons, known by regular Japanese Arsene Lupin - can be considered a mainstream icon Kamen Rider - tokusatsu, regular folks watch it with their kids Date Masamune - a real-life samurai warlord Doraemon - mainstream icon, like Mickey Mouse Mario and Yoshi of the Super Mario games - known not just in Japan but globally Anpanman - mainstream icon Rainbowman - tokusatsu Laputa: Castle in the Sky's Muska - like anything Ghibli, mainstream So, chances are, those particular ones could've more easily been just regular folk - the same way donations made in the name of Homer Simpson or Spongebob Squarepants I wouldn't automatically consider to be into animation. K-on is an anime that is pretty much for anime fans and was one of the series who had characters who's names was used. also characters generally become cultural icons by being good characters that people like, and many anime fans LOVE conan edogawa and Luffy and they are mainstream the two things are not mutually exclusive

If you re-check what I wrote above, I didn't contradict K-On - that's one of the points I conceded to Rukiia ("Well, I was specifically referring to Tiger Mask, but you do have a point with the other ones.")

And I don't infer that some cultural icons or mainstream anime are mutually exclusive between anime fans and regular folk, but I stated, "chances are, those particular ones could've more easily been just regular folk." For example, let's say anime fans comprise 10-20% of the Japanese population, then 10-to-1 up to 5-to-1, there's a better chance it's just regular folk who used those cultural icons or mainstream anime.

Yes, anime fans are more likely to use anime/manga/game characters than regular folk, but it seems the donators have all been using anime/manga/game characters, so we can't simply use that preference to separate them.

enurtsol wrote:

Nemo_N wrote: enurtsol wrote: Doubt these are anime fans Because anime fans can't possibly be generous, amirite? Nah, because they can't possibly have much money left to be that generous. They barely leave just enough for their noodles and six-tatami abodes, while anime and merch prices are high.

Again, you don't know how much they earn, how much they spend on goods and how much on charity. You can't possibly know how much money they have left without knowing that first.

enurtsol wrote:

Nemo_N wrote: enurtsol wrote: Besides, anime fans would have more to give if they haven't spent all their gift money on overpriced goods in Akihabara. You don't know how much they earn nor how much of that goes to shopping or charity. Charity or philanthropy actually isn't that well-known in Japanese culture, so that's out. And they do a lot of shopping.

Try reading the stuff you link to:

You dislike what you call "anime fans", we get it. But by basing your claims simply on your prejudices, you are clearly disliking people that exist solely inside your head.

enurtsol wrote:

Tanteikingdomkey wrote: K-on is an anime that is pretty much for anime fans and was one of the series who had characters who's names was used. also characters generally become cultural icons by being good characters that people like, and many anime fans LOVE conan edogawa and Luffy and they are mainstream the two things are not mutually exclusive If you re-check what I wrote above, I didn't contradict K-On - that's one of the points I conceded to Rukiia ("Well, I was specifically referring to Tiger Mask, but you do have a point with the other ones.") And I don't infer that some cultural icons or mainstream anime are mutually exclusive between anime fans and regular folk, but I stated, "chances are, those particular ones could've more easily been just regular folk." For example, let's say anime fans comprise 10-20% of the Japanese population, then 10-to-1 up to 5-to-1, there's a better chance it's just regular folk who used those cultural icons or mainstream anime. Yes, anime fans are more likely to use anime/manga/game characters than regular folk, but it seems the donators have all been using anime/manga/game characters, so we can't simply use that preference to separate them.

you do realize you just conceded that there are most likely some anime fans who are using their favorite characters names right. who else would leave one under the name YUI the show is made for otaku. you can't just omit stuff that does not contradicts your theory. while I won't say that the person who started the movement was necessarily an anime fan, I think it is HIGHLY likely that it has been taken over by anime fans, who are using mainstream character's names, such as Muska from castle in the sky, who is a really random choice for a mainstream anime fan.

Can we not turn this nice, heartwarming moment into a pissing contest about who can define anime fandom better? Thanks