Forum - View topicREVIEW: Elfen Lied DVD 1
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next Note: this is the discussion thread for this article |
Author | Message | |||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Kazuki-san
Posts: 2251 Location: Houston, TX |
|
|||||||
I would argue it is actually rather commonplace, just not reported on as much. In any case, you're probably right about being desensitized to violence. In my case, I make it a point to not allow that to happen to me. As a result, I am greatly bothered by the plethora of particularily gruesome amount of child murders recently. I do seem to be among the minority of those that are more then passively affected. (at least among co-workers and the like) |
||||||||
SnowfairyX
Posts: 438 |
|
|||||||
I read your review and thought it was very well written. I'm not entirely sure if Elfen Lied is a very good series, but I've read many reviews that are very positive. I like to read positive and negative reviews of a series so I can decide if it for me. I think your review is written well enough that it could change someone's mind about the series. If I read your review before purchasing Elfen Lied today, I still would have purchased it, but your review is still very relevant. I liked Alien Nine and also planning to purchase Narutaru because of the positive reviews that convinced me to, so I also agree with you that these shows are good. I'm sure there are also people out there that hate Neon Genesis Evangelion, Grave of the Fireflies, and Berserk. I also have a feeling that Gantz is not as good as a series that you seem to be implying. I have read a review on Gantz that I think is written as well as your Elfen Lied review that is just as scathingly negative. I was planning on purchasing the series before I read that very persuasive review. I currently have an unfavorable view of Gantz because of that review. So are you an official anime reviewer? You should be one if you aren't already. |
||||||||
Godaistudios
Posts: 2075 Location: Albuquerque, NM (the land of entrapment) |
|
|||||||
If khryoleoz didn't come off as being so pretentious, I might be inclined to agree. I do take issue with the last paragraph however, since it's superfluous due to his/her prior statements. Beating a dead horse and making complaints about the company do not have any bearing on the viewpoint of the show - rather, they suggest a bias against the show because his/her "favorites" aren't coming out. Moreover, this thread is about the review of the first volume alone, and not a comprehensive look at the series as this other individual appears to have done. While I do feel that some of the things that they say have some merit, taking potshots at the fans of the show also hurt the credibility of the review. Saying that fans cannot substantiate - cannot provide convincing arguments - suggests that they have made up their minds, regardless of what evidence or arguments may come along to dispute their views. I, for one, don't care for reviewers who aren't willing to objectively view others opinions, even if they are different. edit: corrected spelling mistakes. Last edited by Godaistudios on Tue May 17, 2005 5:00 pm; edited 2 times in total |
||||||||
DragonsRevenge
Posts: 1150 |
|
|||||||
I thought the sub was handled quite well. Dub is piss poor at best. Lucy's voice is fine, but the rest suck, and the dub script... they couldnt have strayed farther if they tried. I also noticed that they camera panning seems odd somehow, like they pulled the panels across a stationary camera or something.
|
||||||||
Key
Moderator
Posts: 18435 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
|
|||||||
Hey, I stand by all the reviews I write. I spent a couple of days writing that review, and the only part of the ratings which I feel I stretched even a little bit is the dub rating. I also have no stake whatsoever in this title, so I don't know how you can justifiably accuse me of bias. Just because a person has a radically different viewpoint than you do about something, khryoleoz, doesn't mean that they are "biased." I strongly disagree with many points in your review, but that's fine with me. I know well that not everyone's going to see things the same way I do. What I do take serious issue with is your strong implication that anyone who looks favorably on this title is a moron purely distracted by fan service and gore. Such vitriol has no place in a proper review. Slamming a title is one thing, and some titles certainly deserve to be slammed, but slamming those who like a title is rude and insulting, no matter the quality of your wording. And really, why are you reviewing a title (especially one like this one) without exploring the artistic, technical, and sound merits of the series? Why are you rating the dub so much worse? A proper review needs to explain all its ratings, and I noted that even you admitted that the artistry and sound were quite good. Also, let's be absolutely clear about one thing: my review was based exclusively on the first volume - not on the whole series, like yours seems to be. I have not even seen the rest of the series yet, so it's possible my outlook on the series will change after I see the rest of it. Whether you like the series or not, though, it makes a strong first impression, and that is one of the main points I was trying to stress. If you were determined to do a counter-review, khryoleoz, then you should have at least bothered to do it on the same scope of material. |
||||||||
HitokiriShadow
Posts: 6251 |
|
|||||||
I misunderstood this line in the review: "ADV’s dub can take the blame for the English script, however, which strays farther than is necessary from the subtitles, to the point that the meaning of some dialogue is altered. I don’t see this as a major problem, but it won’t sit well with sub-favoring fans." For some reason, I thought this meant that they changed some lines in the subs.
I noticed this. It's a very nice touch to the artbox.
If you liked the first volume, you will probably like the rest of the series. Do some plot points feel contrived? Perhaps, but I don't think there is anything serious enought to detract from the plot. |
||||||||
Nagisa
Moderator
Posts: 6128 Location: Atlanta-ish, Jawjuh |
|
|||||||
How could Key's review possibly be "biased" when he wrote it based purely on his exposure to the first volume on its own with no prior experience at all with the series? If he were being biased, he'd have needed prior exposure to the series to develop a pre-disposed notion towards blindly singing its praises "just because it's Elfen Lied." The fact that you don't even know what the word "bias" even means invalidates your entire sorry, stuck-up review. |
||||||||
SnowfairyX
Posts: 438 |
|
|||||||
I just finished watching the first episode of Elfen Lied. I heard about how violent this anime was, and the first 5-10 minutes definitely doesn't disappoint. The first episode did not disappoint me and I hope that the rest of the series will live up to my expectations.
|
||||||||
Cloe
Moderator
Posts: 2728 Location: Los Angeles, CA |
|
|||||||
I do feel the same way in real life situations. I don't really know why I feel that way; it's just instictual. (Maybe because I have had pet dogs but not children yet?) Anyway, the very thought of spoiler[an animal being intentionally hurt begins to make me cry. The idea that there's no way for them to communicate their pain with language, either, makes it all that more heart-wrenching for me. Of course I think child abuse (especially sexual in nature) is horrible, and young children are just as innocent and powerless as puppies. But I don't know why I shouldn't feel as bad for the animals just because they're not human.] There's no way for me to change my natural reaction anyway, no matter how much I'm lectured at; it's just the way I am, so cut me a break, please. |
||||||||
Kazuki-san
Posts: 2251 Location: Houston, TX |
|
|||||||
I'm not trying to lecture you to feel otherwise, it's just not something I've ever understood. Like I said, both situations are horrible, but between the two, spoiler[the suffering of a human would tug on my heart more.] Certainly, to each his own, I'm just trying to understand from the other side of the fence is all. |
||||||||
darkhunter
Posts: 2992 Location: Los Angelas |
|
|||||||
Dub getting an A-?
I thought it was one of the crappier dub I heard in a while. The good and bad: + The background animation was really nice with the blossom effect - But the actually character animation was poor. Cheap looking "stock" character with simple design: Yuka and Kohta + Interesting story about Lucy/Nyu. - Unoriginal romance story between Yuka and Kohta spoiler[Yuka has feeling for Kohta but is afraid to say it. Kohta is a clutz and does not catch on quick, which lead to a bunch of misunderstand. ] + Awesome sound effect - Flat english dub. + Violence to the extreme - or +? Cheap used of fanservice for humor. |
||||||||
khryoleoz
Posts: 158 |
|
|||||||
Bias may also be taken as a preference or inclination. The reviewer's opening remarks makes apparent his predisposition towards the type of material in which Elfen Lied is manifest. While he does consider the possibility of a viewer's repulsion, he dismisses it as simply induced by the mere graphical nature that is its shock value. But because the show lacks substance, and is indeed desperate in the areas I've identified and elaborated upon, its shock value would be the only element that would compel any committment to further viewing. It is on this level that I've discerned a "bias", and this in fact is the same preconditioning that viewers who are so drawn to the series find themselves to be so. I am not establishing that it is uncouth for people to find this series enjoyable for what it is, a shocker (note the first sentence of my review). But I deny and debunk the attributing of superlative execution when the character development and relational interaction, the title's second most vital element after shock value, is incoherent and the premise that mischaracterizes the Diclonius' supremacy as simply being monsters is a recycled idea.
Pretentious am I? Given that I am but a mere consumer no more significant than another suggesting an unsolicited opposing view point while not even a staff reviewer and well aware that I am in the minority with the position I hold, I suppose one can say that. But not as pretentious as the creator/adaptor of Elfen Lied is by mixing together a number of seen and tried situations hoping that the result will be an original product. By allowing Neopoletan ice cream to melt, you only get strawberry, chocolate, and vanilla mixed together, not a new flavor of ice cream. Now, to conclude that my own bias against Elfen Lied stems from ADV's faultering committment to earlier acquired and distributed titles that I prefer suggests that my profound exposition of Elfen Lied's short comings had not been read or were just cast aside. No, Elfen Lied, even outside of ADV's acquisition to distribution rights as well as their production backing to whatever degree, would be more enjoyable had it been honest and direct about its pursuit of the harem angle, or rendered meaning to the violence and death that it depicts by introducing characters that are endowed with some level of realism in their growth. I am an appreciative consumer of anime and recognize that as small as I am I have value by contributing to the industry's fiscal health. I have bought my first volume with limited edition box of Elfen Lied, despite my own grudges against the licensor for breach of consumer expectation concerning the two titles I've come to love and determine to be more marketable by appealing to a wider audience even though they obviously disagree with me. But I profess that my review is not based on the first volume but the entire series. Having seen the entire broadcast run, I am privy to the title's progression throughout and limiting my observations within the scope of the first four episodes would be counterproductive. Furthermore, the title's commercial success gambles on its "strong impact", but it has campaigned on creating this impact out of questionable material content. Therefore, it is crucial to demonstrate the merits of this title by clearly identifying those who are predisposed to enjoying it. Now if I'm wrong in any area, please point it out. For to be corrected is to my own benefit. And if anybody can give me some satisfying news about the other two ADV titles that have been all but abandoned, please feel free to share that tidbit even if it were only to dissuade my bitter perception of a licensor that has quite justifiably garnered the reputation in my view. Last edited by khryoleoz on Wed May 18, 2005 12:43 am; edited 3 times in total |
||||||||
Advent_Nebula
Posts: 932 Location: Colorado |
|
|||||||
Those two titles that will remain un named in here will be web only titles that can be bought through ADVfilms.com and select online retailers.
|
||||||||
Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
|
|||||||
|
||||||||
Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
|
|||||||
|
||||||||
All times are GMT - 5 Hours |
||
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group