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mrhomiec
Joined: 15 Sep 2004
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Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:14 pm
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haha. omg. are they gonna dub it in japanese?
it might make the movie better to be in japanese =P
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Stueypark
Joined: 10 Aug 2002
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:07 pm
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Of course, the Japanese purists will say it should only be subtitled in Japanese because it was originally created in English and changing it to Japanese will destroy te way the director created it :lol:
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IanC
Joined: 26 Sep 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:04 pm
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Worst movie of 2004? Doubt it. I found it quite good fun.
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midori kou
Joined: 22 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:21 pm
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I think it was rated the worst because it wasn't a "Miyazaki" film. >_>
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Nagisa
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:04 pm
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midori kou wrote: | I think it was rated the worst because it wasn't a "Miyazaki" film. >_> |
Innocence isn't Miyazaki. I don't see it anywhere on the list.
Yu-Gi-Oh! didn't make the list because it's anime, it made the list because it's a steaming garbage heap of a movie, plain & simple.
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Stueypark
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:13 pm
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I haven't seen it, but I love reading the reviews:
"This may be the first mainstream movie to have more in common with an infomercial than a screenplay."
"If your pulse quickens when you hear lines like, 'Not so fast! I still have two cards face down, and they'll bring down your life points to a measly 1000!', then Yu-Gi-Oh is the movie you've been waiting for all summer."
"The only thing missing is a 1-800 number flashing on the bottom."
"Yu-Gi-Oh! is so flat as to make the card game on which it is based seem positively three-dimensional."
"I sacrificed 90 minutes of my life points to sit through this and nothing I can summon is going to make up for that."
"Adults: If your child forces you to go to Yu-Gi-Oh!, remember that there's no law against iPods in movie theaters."
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The Winking Samurai
Joined: 09 Jun 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:03 pm
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I don't get why people are so convinced that Yu-Gi-Oh! is purely for selling cards. I watch it all the time, and I've never bought a Duel Monsters card in my life.
As far as I'm concerned, there are two kinds of people: people like me, who like the way conflicts in Yu-Gi-Oh! are resolved through strategy instead of mindless violence; and people like the average moviegoer, who think Yu-Gi-Oh! is just another half hour long commercial for merchandise.
You want to see a real case of a cartoon being whored out for crap? Watch The Batman. I happened to go through a toy aisle one day, and what do you know? All the gadgets Batman used in the show (which is a lot) are now for sale. Bob Kane must be rolling in his grave.
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Joe Mello
Joined: 31 May 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:04 pm
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The Winking Samurai wrote: | I don't get why people are so convinced that Yu-Gi-Oh! is purely for selling cards. |
Because it is. Almost all anime geared towards the young'uns have some type of merchandise to drive. If you want to watch some Yu-Gi-Oh that isn't so merchandise driven, try and find some of the old series. From what I've seen, the character designs look cooler than this version and Bakura's a white mage. (I don't know how many times I've said that.)
So what these people are saying is that Gigli was better than Yu-gi-oh or was that released in 2003? The years are starting to meld together. (Heck, I think 1998 is a couple years ago)
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biliano*
Joined: 11 Feb 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:23 pm
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Nagisa wrote: | Yu-Gi-Oh! didn't make the list because it's anime, it made the list because it's a steaming garbage heap of a movie, plain & simple. |
Even though I like the Yu-Gi-Oh series, I'm siding with Nagisa on this topic. I thought that the Yu-Gi-Oh movie was 90 minutes of pure crap. I would've felt better if I was able to get the rare Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon card, but instead I received a worthless (and useless) Watapon card.
On the other hand, Pokemon is the complete opposite. The TV series is pure garbage, but the movies are pretty good.
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wil2197
Joined: 06 Aug 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:15 am
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*Looks over to Japan*
We're sorry...we really are.
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Mohawk52
Joined: 16 Oct 2003
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:58 am
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wil2197 wrote: | *Looks over to Japan*
We're sorry...we really are. |
(Nintendo Japan looking at their profits from Poké-Mon) No worries mate.
Yu-Gi-Oh is like Marmite, or Vegemite. You either love it, or hate it.
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Steventheeunuch
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:07 am
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The Winking Samurai wrote: | I don't get why people are so convinced that Yu-Gi-Oh! is purely for selling cards. I watch it all the time, and I've never bought a Duel Monsters card in my life.
As far as I'm concerned, there are two kinds of people: people like me, who like the way conflicts in Yu-Gi-Oh! are resolved through strategy instead of mindless violence; and people like the average moviegoer, who think Yu-Gi-Oh! is just another half hour long commercial for merchandise.
You want to see a real case of a cartoon being whored out for crap? Watch The Batman. I happened to go through a toy aisle one day, and what do you know? All the gadgets Batman used in the show (which is a lot) are now for sale. Bob Kane must be rolling in his grave. |
See, the difference between Yu-Gi-Oh! and Batman is that Yu-Gi-Oh! has no shame when it comes to selling what it has. By watching the first two uncut volumes, the concept and excecution of all plot devices and what not are entirely card centric. You've got occasional emotional talk before we head straight back into THE HEART OF CARDS DOLOMENER THE INDESTRUCTIBLE FIVE CARD SWEEPING DARK MAGE FIRE!!!!!
Batman may have it's fair share of merchandise, but it's not as if Batman sat around all day saying "MAN MY BATMOBILE IS SO COOL MAN I WISH I HAD MORE OF THEM AND LOOK I HAVE ANOTHER ONE BUT ITS ACTUALLY GREY HOOK BATMOBILE XTREME!". The Batman cartoons relied on actual characters, situations and events that weren't always PRODUCT X IS THE BEST, USE PRODUCT X!
As for the Yu-Gi-Oh! film, those assuming that it's a problem with the US are completely full of shit. Yes, it was co-financed and dubbed first by 4Kids, but it's also produced by Kazuki Takahashi and TV-Tokyo. It's shitty because Yu-Gi-Oh! is shitty, and depending on how well you tolerate filler.
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IanC
Joined: 26 Sep 2004
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2004 1:36 pm
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Mohawk52 wrote: |
Yu-Gi-Oh is like Marmite, or Vegemite. You either love it, or hate it. |
I hate the TCG in real life, yet i like the series and manga.
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Necros Antiquor
Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:30 pm
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The Winking Samurai wrote: | As far as I'm concerned, there are two kinds of people: people like me, who like the way conflicts in Yu-Gi-Oh! are resolved through strategy instead of mindless violence; and people like the average moviegoer, who think Yu-Gi-Oh! is just another half hour long commercial for merchandise. |
You're right, depending on which part of Yu-Gi-Oh you look at. The manga and first series were more about strategy. As I see it, a lot of shonen anime survives by building tension until it is resolved by a conflict. Yu-Gi-Oh is unique because it resolves conflict through a wide variety of games, instead of just letting opposing characters beat each other up (nothing wrong with that, it's just not original). However, the second anime was made with almost the sole purpose of selling the cards. You cannot argue that.
Joe Mello wrote: | Almost all anime geared towards the young'uns have some type of merchandise to drive. If you want to watch some Yu-Gi-Oh that isn't so merchandise driven, try and find some of the old series. From what I've seen, the character designs look cooler than this version and Bakura's a white mage. (I don't know how many times I've said that.) |
That, and only a couple of episodes deal with the cards. For the best version, you have to read the manga. Oh, and Bakura is only a white mage while they play "Monster World" (a.k.a. Dungeons and Dragons).
biliano wrote: | On the other hand, Pokemon is the complete opposite. The TV series is pure garbage, but the movies are pretty good. |
Well, the movies are good if you consider that their target audience is kids and not adults. On an adult level, there are much better movie adaptions of series to watch.
Steventheeunuch wrote: | As for the Yu-Gi-Oh! film, those assuming that it's a problem with the US are completely full of shit. Yes, it was co-financed and dubbed first by 4Kids, but it's also produced by Kazuki Takahashi and TV-Tokyo. It's shitty because Yu-Gi-Oh! is shitty, and depending on how well you tolerate filler. |
It was primarily made by 4Kids. They told Takahashi what kind of film they wanted him to write, and he wrote it. He probably made improvements over what 4Kids wanted. The film was also bad because it was based on the watered-down American story. Personally, I don't know how the Japanese are going to watch this, since the movie exists in a different "continuum" then the Japanese series. I think that Pegasus died in the Japanese version, but he's alive in the American version since 4Kids doesn't like to deal with death. (That raises the question of why they'd pick up Shaman King, with its obvious dealings with the issue of death...)
Best advice: avoid every aspect of Yu-Gi-Oh except for the manga. Only read the manga if you like creative games.
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minakichan
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 6:10 pm
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Takahashi Kazuki is obsessed with America and the American fans; why else would he sign all that prize crap and sit through all those pointless interviews for Viz and endorse that anti-animal-cruelty-society? I may be completely wrong, but I don't believe that he advertised Yu-Gi-Oh even 1/10 as much in Japan.
Thus, I may conclude that it was Takahashi's complete OBSESSION with America and overall ecstasy with the fact that his "product" is the least bit successful in the U.S. that he decided to obey 4Kids and write the (nearly) crappiest movie the world has ever seen.
We've known Takahashi to be an artistic whore before (the fact that Yu-Gi-Oh EVER focused on Duel Monsters is proof of that), so I truly am not surprised that this movie is crap. I only weep for those poor Japanese kids who may also be obsessed with America and go into this movie expecting something.
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