Forum - View topicNEWS: FUNimation Licenses Samurai 7
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Kazuki-san
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Ack.. I can't believe I forgot to mention FB! |
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Fazz89x
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You're working at the mall. Not everyone goes to the mall to buy stuff. Anime fans are likely to walk in and look at the selection just because it's there. Plus, Suncoast is unbelievably overpriced. I think I'd shoot myself if I actually bought a DVD from there. |
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kusanagi-sama
 Posts: 1723 Location: Wichita Falls, TX |
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I've been buying most of my Anime from Suncoast. It makes it hard to buy more from there because its so expensive. After taking a look at DeepDiscountDVD, I'm going to buy as much as possible from there.
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Darkener
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I could never force myself to buy anything from Suncoast... but there isn't any around were a live any more so that is a plus... but I usually buy most of my animes from Best Buy or online stores like bestprices.com...
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coachkaveman
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I second your remark. He sounds like the guy on the Madlax thread complaining that ADV licensed Madlax before the last episode just to piss of fansubbers. PS: after talking to fluent Japanese speakers, most fansubs are very bad and poorly edited, they are nice to have but in no way should be compared to actual licensed translations. IMHO, coachk |
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Toboe
 Posts: 138 Location: Rakuen |
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This announcement makes me happy; Gonzo sunk a hell of a lot of money into Samurai 7 and frankly, a 200mb fansub just doesn't do the animation quality justice. I'd like to see a non-blurry version with a professional translation.
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srintuar
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Bad analogy: copyright infringement is not stealing. (so says the law). So there is no high moral ground to be had here. Even a "sense of entitlement" is not automatically a bad thing. Copyright infringement may be illegal, but it is not immoral. (all copyrights eventually end, at which point everyone is entitled legally) I also would like to see manga artists compensated, but the current system isnt working so well, imo. Reasons: 1. few people buy anime DVD's because the price is too high. (more people would be tempted by the higher quality if the price was reasonable) 2. In "piracy" of copyright, when those who would not pay for a copyright licensed version get a copy anyway, the creators lose no money, but more people are exposed to their work. (which is beneficial to them) 3. Buying the official DVD's is a lot less convenient than working with highly compressed Xvid/Vorbis/ogm's etc. Officially licensed releases are always going to be 10 years behind technologically. 4. Fansubbers often create better subtitles. |
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DarkParagon
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Well, you know I can't speak for others but I'm personally glad it's been licensed because I've REALLY been enjoying it. Yes I'm sad because now it will be harder to find/download... but not impossible (on-the-side: What's with Lunar's take on rice-villager-speak?). But I'm the type of person who (usually) buys what they watch (I own over 100+ Anime DVDs - which is probably nothing to some people). Samurai 7 was already on my buy list before it was licensed. This just means I don't have to wait for it to arrive in my collection (like I do with Scrapped Princess - thankgoditsbeenlicensedfinally)... Tenjou Tenge, FMA, etc... All on my buy lists....
Of course... I don't care what they spent on the FMA license, if they release a 52 episode anime with 3 episodes per disc I'm not buying it... I'd rather them up the price of the DVD and put 4 or 5 episodes on each and fool me into thinking I'm getting more for my money. I didn't buy InuYasha for this reason... maybe once the boxed sets come out if I still feel the need to add it to my collection... I can MAYBE put up with 3/disc in a 26 episode series but beyond that is just too many DVDs all at once... |
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kusanagi-sama
Posts: 1723 Location: Wichita Falls, TX |
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The biggest reason why fansubber have better subs in terms of style is that DVD hardware can only dispay 4 colors (2 bits), and only display 2 colors simultaneously. DVD hardware also cannot render fonts.
Maybe sometime in the future DVD hardware will be updated, but I doubt it. |
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CrackaJax
 Posts: 250 Location: Mount Olympus, Syracuse University |
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srintuar, in all of that process, you fail to mention where the artist gets any money. So, it'll just magically appear in his wallet? I think not. That's why fansubbing and piracy are bad.
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Nagisa
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 Posts: 6128 Location: Atlanta-ish, Jawjuh |
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Then buy more now! The reason anime DVDs are (only slightly) more expensive than majour Hollywood movies is that the domestic anime industry is a very niche market. Not many people buy, so the price has to go up to compensate. If more people buy, the price will eventually go down (just as the number of discs per series has done, the standards are leaning more towards seven and three discs than eight and four, lately). If everyone pirates anime and nobody buys, then the price goes up to compensate or fewer titles are licensed.
Exposure is great & all, but since the creators do this for a living, they need something that will support a living. Exposure doesn't do that, but money does. Sure, technically no money is "lost" due to piracy, but the amount of money actually earned off of a title is lessened. The amount of revenue a title generates is lessened. The amount of money the creator gets is lessened. As a result, the kind of life they live and the amount of money they can put into future projects (say it with me, kids) is lessened.
What do you base this on? Fansub video quality SUCKS compared to DVD! Are you visually impaired or does your unfounded bias force a blind eye to just how blurry fansubs look compared to official releases?
Based on WHAT!? Are you fluent in Japanese? If not, then don't even BEGIN to comment on the translation quality. If you're talking about how pretty the letters are, I'd much rather have standard sans-serif yellow type than some fancy (ugly) script font I can hardly read (which are what many fansubbers tend to use, unfortunately). I am so sick of people who use point #4. It's always wrong no matter what angle you approach it from... |
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v1cious
 Posts: 6227 Location: Houston, TX |
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merchandise and production. nobody makes their money on the show it's self, look at Rumiko Takahashi. |
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srintuar
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On the contrary, buying more will only sustain the high prices. DVD's have a super-low marginal cost, so no matter how few or many they sell there is no scale of economy. In the copyright-content market, the ideal price is the one that brings in the highest gross amount. In light of the internet, setting super high prices is almost guaranteeing low sales.
Not true again: many people who download a show end up disliking it and would never buy it. Many people who download one simply could never afford to buy it unless they suddenly got rich. No money was lost in those cases.
An typical fan-encode already has more resolution than my television can show. I actually find the DVD players output to be considerably worse in terms of quality. I dont really like popping disks in and out to watch shows, not slow load times after a disk is inserted, non skippable FBI warnings and advertisements, clunky and often crashy menus. At this point, I can honestly say I hate DVDs, as a delivery format.
Fluent no, but I can understand enough of most shows to find incongruities in the subtitles. I found that the high budget ones such as those added to "spirited away" by disney that pretty much botched the ending of the show, are often among the worst offenders. Fansubbers seem to have a better sense of when NOT to translate, and let the original foreign word stand. (hissatuwaza names, words such as "nakama", etc ) Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I think the solution is to make the stuff cheaper, and get it to market faster. (I dont really appreciate having to wait years to see a show). I think that would broaden the market, and bring more money back to the creators |
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Fandrez
 Posts: 178 Location: Uh... can I get back to you on that? |
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Yay, they snagged it. I sort of miss the fan subs, but I can always wait to see it in better quality. Plus, if you don't like the dub, hopefully there will still be the sub.
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darkhunter
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And you wonder why the fansub community are look down upon based on what you just said. NOT EVERYONE IS SUPER RICH. People work hard to make a living. People work hard to pay for thier entertaiment. If you don't have a job, get off your lazy ass from downloading anime all day and go look for a job. I hate it how people are saying you have to be rich to buy anime and have no clue on how hard people work and save up. Nobody's here is super rich, we just make enough to live and enjoy life. Are you stupid? Do you live your life with that assumption that people who can afford to buy stuff are rich while people who steal are poor? Because even though I'm not rich I can still buy stuff. You said anime is suppose to be fun and for people to enjoy? So that mean the creater just made it without any intention to make money? Hey I know BMW and Lexus are fun too so that mean everyone should get one right? One last thing, just because you're poor that doesn't give you a right to steal. I can't believe how many dumbass still use this excuse to justified their action. Being poor doesn't give you more right than working and having money. You have internet connection, how the hell does that make you poor? People use the word poor loosely. |
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