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exnecross
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:50 pm
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New here.
Obviously not all anime have depressing endings, but every single anime series I have ever watched, with a few exceptions, did. It's become an anime cliche of sorts, and rather annoying.
Don't get me wrong, I'm ok with sad endings, but its almost gotten to the point where I'm annoyed with it. I can almost always predict how an anime will end at this point.
Main character dies, loved one dies, someone commits suicide, etc etc etc. I swear at least 80% of the anime I've watched has had the main character die at the end.
Anyone have any anime series that don't have such a cliche, sad ending? Preferably action, thriller, horror, maybe something with mind games and critical thinking, possibly a mech series.
I really can't be asked to make an entire list of anime I've watched, but generally a recent series or lesser known series there's a good choice I've yet to see it.
Thanks, and please don't flame. I understand not everyone feels the same as I do.
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EireformContinent
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:07 pm
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Meh, personally I don't like sad endings too.
Killing someone is the easiest way to move watcher's emotions, especially when character was liked one. Personally I don't like situations where I feel like producer show me board "cry, now!". Sad ending is good just when it was a logical consequence of story (Lady Oscar, Oniisama E).
I wonder what should I propose here. Genres you mentioned make have "high death end" rate. Maybe just try slice of life?
For example Crest of the Stars series doesn't end with someone's death, but we can't say that everyone got what he wanted- generally it was happy ending, but not without shades.
Utena- ending have lots of interpretations, but IMHO it was happy.
What I've taken from MAL
Inuyasha (I didn't like the ending)Oban Star racersMushishi, Mononoke, Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai, Natsume Yuujinchou, Kuuchuu Buranko
Yes, happy endings are minority.
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Kelly
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:55 pm
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Part of the problem may be that alot of anime comedies seem either to be fanservice heavy (or have a pervy best friend or teacher as a character) or too girl oriented to appeal to the young adult male audience so coveted by sponsors, and are therefore less likely to make it to cable TV, which is where alot of casual fans view their initial anime. It seems to be hard to find something that is not either too fluffy for the guys or too offensive for the gals.
Looking through my own collection, Ouran High School Host Club and some of my Ghibli movies are the only anime with what I could really call completely happy endings. Many others have bittersweet endings due to casualties of love or war.
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exnecross
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:03 pm
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EireformContinent wrote: | Meh, personally I don't like sad endings too.
Killing someone is the easiest way to move watcher's emotions, especially when character was liked one. Personally I don't like situations where I feel like producer show me board "cry, now!". Sad ending is good just when it was a logical consequence of story (Lady Oscar, Oniisama E).
I wonder what should I propose here. Genres you mentioned make have "high death end" rate. Maybe just try slice of life?
For example Crest of the Stars series doesn't end with someone's death, but we can't say that everyone got what he wanted- generally it was happy ending, but not without shades.
Utena- ending have lots of interpretations, but IMHO it was happy.
What I've taken from MAL
Inuyasha (I didn't like the ending)Oban Star racersMushishi, Mononoke, Abenobashi Mahou Shoutengai, Natsume Yuujinchou, Kuuchuu Buranko
Yes, happy endings are minority. |
Perhaps I explained wrong.. the genres I mentioned do have a high death rate in general, but deaths generally aren't depressing unless its the main character or someone that the anime really builds upon heavily. Anime SHOULD have deaths, lots of them, without it they would be boring. Its just depressing endings, doesn't have to involve a death. I like deaths, they are entertaining. Psychological thriller anime are awesome. Hell I even like depressing endings, no matter if cliche, but its like 80% of anime and its gotten really old. In general, killing off the lead at the very end is a really cheap way to end a series.
About the anime you mentioned, half of them I haven't heard about, I'll have to look into them. Lately I've been finishing entire series in 1 or 2 days lol.
Oh.. and for Inuyasha... my Ex has made me hate it with a passion.
Anyone have other suggestions by chance? Please and thank you
Quote: | Part of the problem may be that alot of anime comedies seem either to be fanservice heavy (or have a pervy best friend or teacher as a character) or too girl oriented to appeal to the young adult male audience so coveted by sponsors, and are therefore less likely to make it to cable TV, which is where alot of casual fans view their initial anime. It seems to be hard to find something that is not either too fluffy for the guys or too offensive for the gals.
Looking through my own collection, Ouran High School Host Club and some of my Ghibli movies are the only anime with what I could really call completely happy endings. Many others have bittersweet endings due to casualties of love or war. |
Anime comedies really aren't my thing, neither are romance anime (or girlie anime as you put it). Romance is ok, as long as its not what the entire anime is centered around.
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EireformContinent
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:26 pm
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About classification of the death in anime I have nice discussion, unfortunately in Polish:)
Quote: | deaths generally aren't depressing unless its the main character or someone that the anime really builds upon heavily. |
But does the death that doesn't awake emotion worth showing at all? It reminds me grotesque deaths in Excel Saga, that become simply boring or "death of multiple use" in DBZ. Especially that example show us how death should and shouldn't be shown. First death of Vegeta was powerful and heartbreaking scene. Second had a good moment, but everyone was so used to reviving characters that was sure that isn't serious. Good death in anime make you sob, open mouth or scream "die *******". Bad one make you yawn and fastforward.
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exnecross
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:38 pm
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EireformContinent wrote: | About classification of the death in anime I have nice discussion, unfortunately in Polish:)
Quote: | deaths generally aren't depressing unless its the main character or someone that the anime really builds upon heavily. |
But does the death that doesn't awake emotion worth showing at all? It reminds me grotesque deaths in Excel Saga, that become simply boring or "death of multiple use" in DBZ. Especially that example show us how death should and shouldn't be shown. First death of Vegeta was powerful and heartbreaking scene. Second had a good moment, but everyone was so used to reviving characters that was sure that isn't serious. Good death in anime make you sob, open mouth or scream "die *******". Bad one make you yawn and fastforward. |
Deaths should be emotional. This thread is about all these anime with depressing endings, has nothing to do with deaths really. I'd like to see some anime for once that doesn't have a completely negative ending, which is all I've been seeing 80% of the time.
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EireformContinent
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:48 pm
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But what we consider as "completely negative"?
In 5 cm per secons the main hero is left where he sees that everything he put his faith in is over, but that means that he can start again. In Oniisama E we have one death, but other threads are finished even more optimistic than in manga.
Ps. More recommendation
Slayers
Genji Monogotari Sennenki (but here you will wish protagonist to be dead:P)
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MorwenLaicoriel
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:48 pm
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I don't think I would go as far as to say that even the majority of the anime I've seen has had depressing endings...but then again, I really enjoy comedies and well-written shoujo so that might be part of it. That being said, I can definitely think of some series that aren't romance or comedy that don't end up with a horribly depressing ending.
Baccano! - This one actually surprised me when I realized this, but thinking about it I'm pretty sure that not a single one of the main cast (which is huuuuuge) outside of a villain or two actually dies in this. This is surprising since the series is bloody as all heck, but--it's meant to be a fun action title I think, so that's what it goes for. It helps that the series is told out of chronological order, so starting off you'll have a decent idea of how the characters will end up. It's how they get there that is the exciting part of the story. A big theme of the anime is "life is a continuing story", so without giving too much away the ending of the anime (particularly when including the bonus episodes) has a feeling that life is going on for the characters, even if we can't continue to follow them.
Full Metal Panic! - I guess technically this series hasn't ended yet, but of the seasons we have so far, both of the story-driven ones have a happy ending, although in The Second Raid it gets preeetty dark before they get there. The comedy-only, side story season Fumoffu! just has a wacky ending, but it's not depressing and you could easily skip that season without missing anything if you decide that you're not all that interested in the high school hijinx bit of the series. (I should note that this is an action series and a romantic comedy in some ways, but there should be enough action to keep you interested...probably.)
If you like psychological thrillers, you should probably check out some of Satoshi Kon's stuff. I'd consider both Perfect Blue and Paprika to have happy endings. Paranoia Agent is a bit more ambiguous, but I don't think I'd call it depressing, exactly. It's hard to say anything without spoiling the series--I guess I'd say that things sort of end up back the way they were in the beginning, although there's maybe a bit of hope that things can get better? Millennium Actress is pretty bittersweet in the end...probably a bit too much for what you're looking for.
As for why anime has endings like that in general...I think I've heard that it's something of a cultural thing, although I can't really give a source for that or anything. I think storytelling just evolved a little differently in Japan than it did here in the west?
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exnecross
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:16 pm
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EireformContinent wrote: | But what we consider as "completely negative"?
In 5 cm per secons the main hero is left where he sees that everything he put his faith in is over, but that means that he can start again. In Oniisama E we have one death, but other threads are finished even more optimistic than in manga.
Ps. More recommendation
Slayers
Genji Monogotari Sennenki (but here you will wish protagonist to be dead:P) |
Thank you for the recommendations, I'll look into them.
Quote: | I don't think I would go as far as to say that even the majority of the anime I've seen has had depressing endings...but then again, I really enjoy comedies and well-written shoujo so that might be part of it. That being said, I can definitely think of some series that aren't romance or comedy that don't end up with a horribly depressing ending.
Baccano! - This one actually surprised me when I realized this, but thinking about it I'm pretty sure that not a single one of the main cast (which is huuuuuge) outside of a villain or two actually dies in this. This is surprising since the series is bloody as all heck, but--it's meant to be a fun action title I think, so that's what it goes for. It helps that the series is told out of chronological order, so starting off you'll have a decent idea of how the characters will end up. It's how they get there that is the exciting part of the story. A big theme of the anime is "life is a continuing story", so without giving too much away the ending of the anime (particularly when including the bonus episodes) has a feeling that life is going on for the characters, even if we can't continue to follow them.
Full Metal Panic! - I guess technically this series hasn't ended yet, but of the seasons we have so far, both of the story-driven ones have a happy ending, although in The Second Raid it gets preeetty dark before they get there. The comedy-only, side story season Fumoffu! just has a wacky ending, but it's not depressing and you could easily skip that season without missing anything if you decide that you're not all that interested in the high school hijinx bit of the series. (I should note that this is an action series and a romantic comedy in some ways, but there should be enough action to keep you interested...probably.)
If you like psychological thrillers, you should probably check out some of Satoshi Kon's stuff. I'd consider both Perfect Blue and Paprika to have happy endings. Paranoia Agent is a bit more ambiguous, but I don't think I'd call it depressing, exactly. It's hard to say anything without spoiling the series--I guess I'd say that things sort of end up back the way they were in the beginning, although there's maybe a bit of hope that things can get better? Millennium Actress is pretty bittersweet in the end...probably a bit too much for what you're looking for.
As for why anime has endings like that in general...I think I've heard that it's something of a cultural thing, although I can't really give a source for that or anything. I think storytelling just evolved a little differently in Japan than it did here in the west? |
I think the fact that you typically go for comedy and shoujo has something to do with it. I don't typically stick to one genre, almost anything besides comedy, pure romance, and overly girly is OK with me. I do definitely without a doubt believe that the majority of anime have sad, often cheap and cliche, endings. I have seen some of those you mentioned, but will look into the others. I'm just finishing up the Hell Girl series atm.
Monster is a perfect example of a great suspense anime, consists of lots of deaths, yet still doesn't have an overly depressing ending. I don't understand why so many anime resort to bad endings, I guess its partly that people tend to praise anime more if they do. Its something about how we work I suppose, but I'm not a psychiatrist or anything. I just hate the fact that so many do.
On a side note: I've really been wanting to watch Full Metal Panic! one of these days, it seems like something I'd really enjoy. About the second season.. I don't know anything about it, but if its as you say then I probably will skip it.
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EireformContinent
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:34 pm
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Maybe not psychiatrist, but sociologist or someone specialised in entertainment research.
For me ending should be a summary of the series, logical consequence of things we have seen. I agree that sad endings are overused and sometimes annoying. Sometimes tendency to avoid "and they live happily ever after" is so obvious that it can spoil fun. Fresh example: Otome Youkai Zakuro
Death of the twin seems to be unnecessarily. Why couldn't thay rescue her ans enjoy together cup of tea?
My theory is that sad ending is usually told to be "deeper" and "sophisticated" than happy one, so they are given away like sweets.
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exnecross
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:53 pm
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EireformContinent wrote: | Maybe not psychiatrist, but sociologist or someone specialised in entertainment research.
For me ending should be a summary of the series, logical consequence of things we have seen. I agree that sad endings are overused and sometimes annoying. Sometimes tendency to avoid "and they live happily ever after" is so obvious that it can spoil fun. Fresh example: Otome Youkai Zakuro
Death of the twin seems to be unnecessarily. Why couldn't thay rescue her ans enjoy together cup of tea?
My theory is that sad ending is usually told to be "deeper" and "sophisticated" than happy one, so they are given away like sweets. |
Yes, if it is a true summation to the story which demands to be depressing in order to effectively conclude the anime, then that is fine and should be done so.. however, needlessly killing off a character or some other means of drama that had no real purpose to be included is a completely different scenario, and often ruins the anime for me.
A good example of a depressing ending to a series which nicely summarized the series would be Code Geass. It was all tied together at the end to advance his intent of perturbing the world.
A good example of a depressing ending which really didn't need to be included would be like Death Note. It really would not have mattered if Light died right then and there or continued on living. This is fine though, in and of itself.
Sadly, too many anime learn towards the second example, more or less.
Edited for spoilers.
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ArsenicSteel
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:26 pm
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Knowing that an unnamed someone is going to die at the end of some anime is not predicting the ending.
Sad endings are subjective and are no more cliche than happy endings.
You would be hard pressed to find a story not in the kiddie section of Amazon that does not deal with character(s) death at some point.
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exnecross
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:33 pm
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ArsenicSteel wrote: | Knowing that an unnamed someone is going to die at the end of some anime is not predicting the ending.
Sad endings are subjective and are no more cliche than happy endings.
You would be hard pressed to find a story not in the kiddie section of Amazon that does not deal with character(s) death at some point. |
Almost everything you said in this post is irrelevant to this thread.
I never said guessing that a person will die is guessing the ending, I meant actually predicting the outcome. I ALSO never said that death has anything to do with this thread, in fact I stated many times that I like death in anime. This thread is about the overabundance of anime with depressing endings and suggestions for anime without such.
Your comment about sad endings being no more cliche than positive outcomes is wrong. You should look up the definition of cliche, and what it pertains to. I said that the main character dying at the very end of an anime is becoming cliche.
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SecretAgent94
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:45 pm
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Well having a perfect ending where everyone is happy, all problems are solved, and the dead were "just injured", "healed" or brought back to life is so cliche'.
Of course then when too many anime do the opposite, then it comes the new cliche'.
And the cycle just continues. Yesterday's cliche' and overdone can be today's unique and new.
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Gentry
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:51 pm
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Death is just part of life therefore a common occurence.
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