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NEWS: Mr. Osomatsu Episode 1 to Be Pulled From Home Video, Streaming


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Nakurawari



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:21 pm Reply with quote
Geez, all this controversy is reminding me of Gintama. That really sucks, although I suppose the Japanese attitude to parody is different. To be honest, I thought episode 1 as the weakest since I don't like how it relied on references(even though that was the joke), and all in all, it's just not consistent with the rest of the series.
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maoyen



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:27 pm Reply with quote
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apan does not have a parody exception or provision in its copyright law. Therefore, making parodies of copyrighted works may illegally violate a copyright owners' "right to maintain integrity," if performed without the copyright holder's prior consent


You have GOT to be kidding me. Rolling Eyes


Hey guys, remember when you said Japanese shows had more freedom?


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mangamuscle



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:27 pm Reply with quote
It is now official, you can't do parodies in japan (at least about Japanese intellectual property), which is very sad loss for comedy in general.
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CatSword



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:28 pm Reply with quote
Osomatsu needs to take the same attitude Gintama did.

"Oh, we're sorry. Not really, we're just going to wait for this bullshit to blow over and do it again!"

http://bdn.i.ntere.st/p/9156317/image
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harminia



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:30 pm Reply with quote
I guess it's not super surprising that episode one stepped on some toes.
I'm curious as to why episode 2 and 3 need to be reanimated. Episode 3 I can understand because it has the Dekapan-Man bit which has already been (badly) edited.
But ep 2? They gonna remove all those ZAWAs now?
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maoyen



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:31 pm Reply with quote
CatSword wrote:
Osomatsu needs to take the same attitude Gintama did.

"Oh, we're sorry. Not really, we're just going to wait for this bullshit to blow over and do it again!"

http://bdn.i.ntere.st/p/9156317/image


They got in trouble for that?
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RestLessone



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:42 pm Reply with quote
Well...At least Crunchyroll's not on the list. Could it be because, as an international service based in the US, they get by on the parody clause?

Still, it's really too bad and it's probably going to hurt disc sales. Unlike Gintama, Osomatsu is a single cour late night series. It doesn't have time for things to blow over and it needs those first volume sales if it's gonna get a continuation/be considered successful.

With how down to the wire anime production tends to be, the animators must be really crunched.
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omoikane



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:52 pm Reply with quote
I can kind of see why people objected to those Dekapanman jokes but that's just sad.

As a matter of parody, the aspects in episode 1 is a little shakier because some of those references were sort of just for the sake of referencing. The episode has a very honest premise which runs into a very grey area: is references for the sake of their popular draw a legitimate fair use? I guess it kind of is, but it also kind of isn't.
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mangamuscle



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:54 pm Reply with quote
omoikane wrote:
is references for the sake of their popular draw a legitimate fair use?


There is no fair use in japanese copyright law.
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omoikane



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:56 pm Reply with quote
mangamuscle wrote:
omoikane wrote:
is references for the sake of their popular draw a legitimate fair use?


There is no fair use in japanese copyright law.


thanks for that, because that's (mostly) right and i was thinking in terms if it is even legal within a fair use regime; and if it isn't then it's not going to fly anywhere.
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thennarynak



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:00 pm Reply with quote
RestLessone wrote:
Well...At least Crunchyroll's not on the list. Could it be because, as an international service based in the US, they get by on the parody clause?


That would be my assumption as parody would be protected under Fair Use law in the States, IIRC.

Which makes me wonder if it would be possible to get all the episodes in their original versions for a US/International home video release.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:01 pm Reply with quote
harminia wrote:

I'm curious as to why episode 2 and 3 need to be reanimated. Episode 3 I can understand because it has the Dekapan-Man bit which has already been (badly) edited.
But ep 2? They gonna remove all those ZAWAs now?


Since they're getting rid of ep 1, I'm assuming they're just cutting out the F6 callback.
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harminia



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:03 pm Reply with quote
JennLegacy wrote:


Since they're getting rid of ep 1, I'm assuming they're just cutting out the F6 callback.


Yeah, could be. If they're removing ep 1 from the "story", a reference to a previous episode wouldn't make sense, huh.
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Mr. Oshawott



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:07 pm Reply with quote
The first episode of Mr. Osomatsu being wiped out due to draconian copyright and the second and third episodes of the show are going to be changed to appeal to "mainstream" viewership...

Yep, I don't see this show faring well in disc sales as a result of these drastic alterations...
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Nakurawari



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 11:17 pm Reply with quote
Mr. Oshawott wrote:
The first episode of Mr. Osomatsu being wiped out due to draconian copyright and the second and third episodes of the show are going to be changed to appeal to "mainstream" viewership...

Yep, I don't see this show faring well in disc sales as a result of these drastic alterations...


It's a shame too, because I was planning on buying the series if it ever came out here. Now...I'm not so sure.
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