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DamianSalazar
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I remember when people said China was going to take over the World. Now it seems like the turn of the Gulf states like Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. I'm actually kinda scared.
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This again..
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:03 am
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| Anime News Network wrote: | | In February 2021, the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence assessed that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved an operation in Istanbul, Turkey to capture or kill Jamal Khashoggi. Khashoggi was a Saudi journalist who relocated to the United States and wrote for The Washington Post newspaper before being killed in 2018. The Saudi Arabian government "completely reject[ed]" the U.S. assessment. |
Since you've brought up the U.S., perhaps you'd also like to mention that the U.S. absolved him and the Saudi Arabian government from that..
| Anime News Network wrote: | | Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has also been criticized for pursuing a war in Yemen that caused a humanitarian disaster and for cracking down on dissenting voices. He has alternately been praised for ending a ban on women drivers in 2018. |
The U.S. actively supports and assists Saudi Arabia with that war..
I do have to question what the point of this last paragraph is if you're unwilling to at least try and give your readers an accurate account.. Free from your own imperialist lens..
I'd say these investments are relatively contoversy-free precisely because Saudi Arabia is in favorable terms with the U.S (and other Western countries).. Which means that by extension, Japan is too..
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DamianSalazar
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:43 am
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| newudam wrote: |
| DamianSalazar wrote: | | I remember when people said China was going to take over the World. Now it seems like the turn of the Gulf states like Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. I'm actually kinda scared. |
the most we will do make Mario eat hala mushroom. We are not perfect in our freedom rights but we sure have them more than you. go cry over you medical bills and student loans be scared off the brown person in the desert not from jebediah going get discounted gun from walmart and shoot school or supermarket. |
What? Dude I'm Nigerian. We're practically the same except your corruption is accepted by the West, while our corruption is stereotyped by the West.
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Juno016
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:38 am
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| This again.. wrote: | | I do have to question what the point of this last paragraph is if you're unwilling to at least try and give your readers an accurate account.. Free from your own imperialist lens.. |
The article largely comes off to me as highlighting the institutional evidence that the prince has done some awful things he's been [rightfully] criticized for, rather than some nefarious intent to shield U.S. guilt. The article, after all, is about the prince, not the U.S.
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Blanchimont
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:48 am
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| This again.. wrote: | | Since you've brought up the U.S., perhaps you'd also like to mention that the U.S. absolved him and the Saudi Arabian government from that.. |
Just because one nation happened to absolve him from legal consequences from their point of view/give him immunity, doesn't absolve him from the crime he committed, a heinous crime that there's plenty of evidence for...
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:11 pm
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| newudam wrote: |
| DamianSalazar wrote: | | I remember when people said China was going to take over the World. Now it seems like the turn of the Gulf states like Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. I'm actually kinda scared. |
the most we will do make Mario eat hala mushroom. We are not perfect in our freedom rights but we sure have them more than you. go cry over you medical bills and student loans be scared off the brown person in the desert not from jebediah going get discounted gun from walmart and shoot school or supermarket. |
X to doubt, especially when the Prince is trying to take over Toei, I can see them screwing around with Precure for the worst, like worst than Western Twitter would do to it.
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Dragon_Kaiser
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:28 pm
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I saw this article and was like wait how is did VGC and Eurogamer miss this news today but then saw the dates of the investments made in the article and was like oh this is from a couple weeks ago they already covered this little late to the news on this one
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This again..
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:07 pm
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| Juno016 wrote: |
| This again.. wrote: | | I do have to question what the point of this last paragraph is if you're unwilling to at least try and give your readers an accurate account.. Free from your own imperialist lens.. |
The article largely comes off to me as highlighting the institutional evidence that the prince has done some awful things he's been [rightfully] criticized for, rather than some nefarious intent to shield U.S. guilt. The article, after all, is about the prince, not the U.S. |
No, the article is about the Public Investment Fund increasing their stake in Toei and Nintendo.. The article also being about the prince having "done some awful things" is a deliberate editorial decision.. Is ANN going to do this in every article about an Investmend Fund investing in something.. "Highlighting" the "awful things" the Investmend fund or the people leading those funds have done..
It seems very much pertinent to mention "US guilt".. Considering that the article tried to position the US as a neutral and factual source.. And the reason these investments under his leadership are even possible today is because of US complicity.. But I'm not surprised you disagree.. Considering that you seem to see any report from the US to be synonymous with "institutional evidence"..
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| This again.. wrote: | | Since you've brought up the U.S., perhaps you'd also like to mention that the U.S. absolved him and the Saudi Arabian government from that.. |
Just because one nation happened to absolve him from legal consequences from their point of view/give him immunity, doesn't absolve him from the crime he committed, a heinous crime that there's plenty of evidence for... |
A crime is a legal wrong.. You're free to say he committed a "heinous crime" as much as you want.. But that's just an opinion you hold, not (legal) fact.. A consequence of the US actions that you seem to handwave away so easily..
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Connor Dino
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 2:18 pm
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| Anime News Network wrote: | | In February 2021, the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence assessed that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved an operation in Istanbul, Turkey to capture or kill Jamal Khashoggi. Khashoggi was a Saudi journalist who relocated to the United States and wrote for The Washington Post newspaper before being killed in 2018. The Saudi Arabian government "completely reject[ed]" the U.S. assessment. |
Since you've brought up the U.S., perhaps you'd also like to mention that the U.S. absolved him and the Saudi Arabian government from that..
| Anime News Network wrote: | | Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has also been criticized for pursuing a war in Yemen that caused a humanitarian disaster and for cracking down on dissenting voices. He has alternately been praised for ending a ban on women drivers in 2018. |
The U.S. actively supports and assists Saudi Arabia with that war..
I do have to question what the point of this last paragraph is if you're unwilling to at least try and give your readers an accurate account.. Free from your own imperialist lens..
I'd say these investments are relatively contoversy-free precisely because Saudi Arabia is in favorable terms with the U.S (and other Western countries).. Which means that by extension, Japan is too.. |
Hi, person who works in foreign affairs here....and no. This is not accurate.
1) MBS was not "absolved," the US State Department merely determined that he could not be prosecuted under a reading of international law. This does NOT contradict the US Intelligence assessment saying that he was involved/ordered the killing. Furthermore, in an international environment destabilized by the war in Ukraine, some might say this reading was spurred more by the need to keep oil flowing, then some moral purity on MBS's part. It is almost as of this is a complicated situation that forces the US administration to compromise former red lines in order to deal with more egregious human rights violations and stabilize their economy. Not saying this is good, but we live in the real world. One sometimes has to compromise. Second, it is simply put, VERY difficult to prosecute foreign leaders under international law. There is a rich history I recommend people dive into...but to simplify, historically people have pointed to the international Criminal Court of Justice when thinking about prosecutions (looking at you Kosovo) but those were exceptions and still very complicated and was a unique situation in the Balkans...nor did any of those eastern europe countries have...well...oil. MSB won't be prosecuted...(and neither will Putin in all likelihood).
2) Yes. The US has been providing arms to Saudi for the war in Yeman. This is bad. And yes, Biden is at fault for promising to stop this...and just not doing so. But two things: Firstly, I can critique the Biden administration without fearing of getting murdered in an embassy. A pretty low bar, but boy I bet a certain journalist wished the Saudi government tolerated the same level of freedom. I mean, he would if he wasn't murdered. Secondly, and interrelated, this article is NOT about a US company buying a stake in a Japanese company. It is about the Saudi Public Investment Fund buying more of a stake in Japanese companies. This is ostensibly the Saudi government buying a part of massive Japanese entertainment companies with world-wide reach, bringing to question their future ability to publish works that won't be influenced in some ways...especially if they touch on subjects not to MBS's likening.
3) ANN being accused of having an "imperialistic view" is hysterically funny. And ironic that you, someone so obsessed with the US's actions in the world, accuse others of being influenced by a biased viewpoint. Maybe look in a mirror buddy. You are just an American Exceptionalist...only instead of everything the US does being good, everything the US does is bad. Tip: Neither view is healthy. The world is complicated. Learn more things.
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Blanchimont
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 3:00 pm
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| This again.. wrote: | | A crime is a legal wrong.. You're free to say he committed a "heinous crime" as much as you want.. But that's just an opinion you hold, not (legal) fact.. A consequence of the US actions that you seem to handwave away so easily.. |
If you order a murder on someone, that's a crime in legal terms, in most countries legislatures. That's a fact, not opinion.
And what does US actions have to do with it all, none of those change the facts here?...
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kaoru99
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:21 pm
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| Hoppy800 wrote: | | X to doubt, especially when the Prince is trying to take over Toei, I can see them screwing around with Precure for the worst, like worst than Western Twitter would do to it. |
Saudi Arabia is much preferable than western Twitter getting their hands on something. Saudi Arabia at least likes sexy women. SNK is doing fine under their leadership. But we saw how other fighting games chasing the American dollar started censoring themselves did to fit America's "core values"
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Blanchimont
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 4:45 pm
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| kaoru99 wrote: | | Saudi Arabia at least likes sexy women. SNK is doing fine under their leadership. |
Strange. Pretty sure those ladies in those fighting games run afoul of the rules for awrah and decent clothing in majority of cases, rules which are very real and enforced in the real life Saudi Arabia. And until as recently as 2018 head-clothing for women was mandatory there.
But hey, perhaps the rules are different for fiction? 
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-Matthew-
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:11 pm
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I hope for more Arabian-themed works from Toei.
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all-tsun-and-no-dere
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:43 pm
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| kaoru99 wrote: |
| Hoppy800 wrote: | | X to doubt, especially when the Prince is trying to take over Toei, I can see them screwing around with Precure for the worst, like worst than Western Twitter would do to it. |
Saudi Arabia is much preferable than western Twitter getting their hands on something. Saudi Arabia at least likes sexy women. SNK is doing fine under their leadership. But we saw how other fighting games chasing the American dollar started censoring themselves did to fit America's "core values" |
Very cool priorities you have here. Who cares if your media is being controlled by the dictator of a regime that executes people for homosexuality, adultery, and witchcraft, so long as they leave your anime titties alone?
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 5:43 pm
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| kaoru99 wrote: |
| Hoppy800 wrote: | | X to doubt, especially when the Prince is trying to take over Toei, I can see them screwing around with Precure for the worst, like worst than Western Twitter would do to it. |
Saudi Arabia is much preferable than western Twitter getting their hands on something. Saudi Arabia at least likes sexy women. SNK is doing fine under their leadership. But we saw how other fighting games chasing the American dollar started censoring themselves did to fit America's "core values" |
I see, they pushed back against Twitter like Japanese mangaka are starting to do en masse. Maybe Precure will be left alone afterall.
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