Forum - View topicColumbia Tristar + Bebop = Bad
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Hagakure
Posts: 111 Location: Connecticut |
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Is it just me, or are all the REALLY good anime films being lisenced by some pretty bad companies.
By bad, I don't mean that they do an inadequate job. Princess Mononoke, despite wearing the scars of the Disney logo all over its keepcase, had a pretty good dub, IMHO. But these big name companies don't care at all about the current fanbase. Disney contemplated putting French dialouge on the DVD instead of Japanese. What on Earth is Columbia Tristar doing with the Bebop movie lisence. They don't care for two friggin seconds about the original! It's even possible now that there will not be the same English cast as the TV series. And then I go and read on Cassandra's website that there may not be a Yoko Kanno soundtrack for the States version (although as they said on the same site, this is probably not true, just a rumor) As written in Ima, kore ga hoshiin da! these big companies just don't have enough attention commited to these films, so why don't they just give it to someone who can do it and do it well? Columbia Tristar can make some good movies, I'm not going on a ramoage about how much they suck. But why percue a project one cannot complete well? Just take a look at Columbia Tristar's webpage to see how much they care about Bebop. Do I look like I care about The New Guy or The Mothman Prophecies? Okay, ao maybe that's just me, but still, If they dont even have one sentance of info on the Bebop Movies then doesn't that show how much they really anticipate its release? Any repectable anime company would have five pages of info by now! Let Columbia Tristar do what it does well. But now it is trying to take some other jobs, that others can do infinatly better, and produce some half done job. Just my two cents. When Knockin' on Heaven's Door comes out, I really friggin' hope I am wrong about everything I said here, cause we still want to see a good product, no matter who it comes from. |
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Slim Shinji
Past ANN Contributor
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I think the only negative thing about Columbia/Tristar having Bebop is that they're taking their sweet time with it. They showed Metropolis a lot of respect...didn't alter the music, showed it subtitled in some theaters, got a pretty decent dub put together for it, and the DVD's got a great transfer and is loaded with extras (though I don't see the "mini-disc" thing catching on). I don't believe for a second they would alter Bebop's soundtrack....it's already thoroughly American. And as far as casting goes...well, David Lucas was in Metropolis, so I'd say the chances of hearing the original cast in action again is pretty good (not sure but I think Columbia may even have used the same dub studio as Bebop's for Metropolis....heard a lot of "Bandai" dub voices in there). So while it's true a big studios may not give anime releases their undivided attention Columbia/Tristar seems to understand the wants of the anime fan community pretty well.
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Tenchi
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Well, the version of Mononoke I have has a tiny, tiny Miramax logo on the back, and an Alliance Atlantis logo at the top of the spine, and another tiny one (about the same size as the DVD logo) in the bottom right corner of the front cover. I presume the only difference with the American cover is that the tiny Miramax logo is on the spine and front, and doesn't have the cover in French on the reverse side of the cover. Doesn't the American version have the French dub as well as the Japanese and the English, because mine does? (On the disk itself, the logo is Miramax, so I presumed the only difference between the Canadian and American versions was with the packaging.)
I don't know about the music (I don't care what they do with it in the dub, as long as it's intact in the sub.), but I doubt they'd use anything but the cast from the dub; Wendee Lee indicated there's a very, very good chance they'll use the same cast.
Also, fan pressure is on the side of using the dub cast, and these companies usually bow to fan pressure when it comes to releasing anime. And, C/TS didn't use an all-star cast for Metropolis, so I doubt they'd do it for Cowboy Bebop either.
The movie's not due out until fall; they got their big summer movies to push now, give them time. I'm confident as the release date approaches, we'll see more about it on their site. Though, I doubt they'll release it wide (since Metropolis didn't play on more than 16 screens per weekend, though I'd bet they'll put it on at least a few dozen screens, since there is a built-in audience of several hundred thousand), so I'm not expecting to see nearly as much about it on their site as, say, Men in Black II. The biggest advantage of C/TS handling the Cowboy Bebop movie, however, will be the DVD presentation when it hits store shelves; if it's anything like Metropolis, they'll have two disks chock full of the sort of extra goodies most of the traditional anime distributors just couldn't afford to do. As for why they got the license in the first place; it could be that Sunrise (or whomever handles the Japanese rights to the movie) was just asking too much for Bandai's American subsidiary to afford (the same reason we haven't seen Memories officially on these shores). |
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Tenchi
Posts: 4535 Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer. |
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Oh yeah, by the way, nice to see someone else italicize film and TV show (and presumably book and album) titles, as per the style guide I use. It looks a lot more elegant that using quotation marks for everything. I use quotation marks for episode, chapter and song titles though. Example: In the South Park episode "Scott Tenorman Must Die", Cartman made some delicious chili. |
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Cassandra
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Sorry about the lack of updates on the site. I try to stick with larger anime news and stay away from rumors. (However, it's not my site...and Booty likes rumors
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But here's an update: According to the official Japanese Cowboy Bebop homepage (which was taken down at the end of March due to fading popularityin Japan), the American version of the Cowboy Bebop movie from Columbia Pictures' Destination Films will retain the principal dub voice actors from Bandai's release of the television series. Source: AnimeNation I haven't heard anything new about the music...but I'll try to keep an eye out. |
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LordByronius
ANN Columnist
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OH NO!!! A BIG EEEEEEVIL AMERICAN COMPANY THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE BUSINESS OF PROMOTING FILMS SO THAT PEOPLE SEE THEM HAS GOT THE LICENSE TO AN ANIME THAT HAS VERY BROAD APPEAL! THEY'RE GOING TO SCREW IT ALL UP, JUST LIKE THEY SCREWED UP METROPOLIS, ESSENTIALLY A HIGH-PROFILE ART FILM, BY SHOWING IT SUBTITLED IN THEATERS AND DOING A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THE DVD! THOSE ARROGANT, CAPITALIST A-HOLES!
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Hagakure
Posts: 111 Location: Connecticut |
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Tenchi, I have the Princess Mononoke DVD, and it does have both French and Japanese. However, during the production, Disney had it planned to omit the Japanese language track, as they thought it didn't appeal to the public.
I didn't intend this to turn into one of those "I'm angry because anime is going mainstream" posts, cause I do think C/TS could do a fairly good job, and I do think that C/TS getting the Bebop Movie has nothing to do with going mainstream. Its just that with the news I read, if any company, even Bandai had cut the original dub cast or lost the Yoko Kanno soundtrack I would be angry. It has very little to do with C/TS, it has more to do with the product they release as a result of being the big name company that they are. As for C/TS releasing Knockin' on Heaven's Door as a film with general appeal, they are only gonna release it in select theatres, which makes it viewing much more select. I doubt that many non-fans of the Bebop series will go see it, because it just won't get the attention it deserves. Believe me, it would be great if Knockin' on Heaven's Door got the same attention as the other C/TS movies I mentioned, and hence got many viewers who didn't know about Bebop. Of course, then again, you would have thousands of complaints online about how anime is selling out. Its really just an endless circle. |
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GATSU
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The only problem with Metropolis is it has a deleted scene that was placed right after the credits. You can get info on it at www.animeprime.com
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GATSU
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The only problem with Metropolis is it has a deleted scene that was placed right after the credits. You can get info on it at www.animeprime.com
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RickyChosyu
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I was throughly satisfied with the release of Metropolis, and I see no reason why this release will be any different. At the end of the day, the only way they can "ruin" the movie is if they deny the fans a Japanese subtitled version. I also don't see any reason for them to leave out the music. I could see this happening if it were a company that was unwilling to spend the money on the licensing rights of the Kanno score, but I doubt this is the case.
I don't think you have anything to worry about. As long as they get it out sometime this year, I'm a happy camper. |
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Gai Super Napalm
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Was this a joke? Was this a big enough deal to you that you had to comment on it? |
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Tenchi
Posts: 4535 Location: Ottawa... now I'm an ex-Anglo Montrealer. |
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Well, there's a little in-joke in there for anyone that has ever seen the South Park episode I mentioned, but, otherwise, no, I just found it neat that someone else here takes the extra minute or so to italicize titles, like in many newspapers and magazines. |
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Hagakure
Posts: 111 Location: Connecticut |
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It does look alot neater, IMHO. I don't do it when writing a list of titles though. |
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