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The Depiction of Hikikomori in Japanese Pop Culture: Can the Anime Industry Help ‘Social Recluses’ B


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Thundercracker



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:30 pm Reply with quote
It's like i'm reading about myself.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 1:37 pm Reply with quote
I think until the major nations of the world start to view mental health as a serious topic on par with the rest of general health care, there's not going to be much movement on the issue. Japan is uniquely situated based on both the past 40(?!) years of economic and social history and that their culture will react in a way that other major nations would not normally.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 3:37 pm Reply with quote
Thundercracker wrote:
It's like i'm reading about myself.


Yeah, the feelings are very familiar sounding, humans are such complex animals and I am really bad at comprehending all the nuances of socialization. My boyfriend helps encourage me when I feel scared, but I can completely understand social pressures being paralyzing to the point of disengagement.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 4:34 pm Reply with quote
I'm a anime fan and I have struggled with loneliness ever since I was a kid (my personal childhood story is a long one, and I don't want to bore you all with the details), and I'm thinking about retiring at a very early age and not bother to continue to search for jobs (I'm 37 years old, I graduated with an AA in Biotechnology in 2012, and I can't still get a job ever since I graduated), I wouldn't describe myself as a Hikikomori since I do have a social life. But trying to make a new friend is so hard even in adulthood. Also you have a loneliness epidemic and a friendship recession that even pre-dated the COVID-19 pandemic, and even before social media and smartphones existed. So yeah, I'm not sure if anime can really fixed my loneliness problem and my lack of real friend issue for me.
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Southkaio



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Does Bocchi counts?
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Just coming at this subject with some personal background dealing with ASD and SM, I find it really disheartening how much of the modern isekai genre is seemingly predicated on this idea that if you're neurodivergent and having trouble, the best cure is death. There's something profoundly cynical about it, couched as it is in the wish-fulfillment fantasy of a Do-Over where Everything Goes Right.

It also plays into the stereotype that the people suffering from these conditions really are just lazy, since ultimately all they need to do to turn things around is try. Turns out it was a super-easy problem to solve after all.

And if they have to reincarnate just to have that opportunity, well, doesn't that just mean that it was already too late for them back in their original lives? And in that case, aren't they justified in not making any effort to change?

So the genre tropes are effectively taking neurodivergent people with (probably undiagnosed) disorders of some kind, and simultaneously telling them both that it's too late for them to fix themselves, AND that they could have easily fixed themselves in the past, with a little effort.

Obviously, I'm not saying that *all* ND representation is like this. But a whole heckuva lot certainly is. On the whole, I'd say it's a net negative, all around.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2025 11:08 pm Reply with quote
Really interesting article that has me reconsidering my perceptions. [/code]
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:10 am Reply with quote
Fluwm wrote:
Just coming at this subject with some personal background dealing with ASD and SM, I find it really disheartening how much of the modern isekai genre is seemingly predicated on this idea that if you're neurodivergent and having trouble, the best cure is death. There's something profoundly cynical about it, couched as it is in the wish-fulfillment fantasy of a Do-Over where Everything Goes Right.

It also plays into the stereotype that the people suffering from these conditions really are just lazy, since ultimately all they need to do to turn things around is try. Turns out it was a super-easy problem to solve after all.

And if they have to reincarnate just to have that opportunity, well, doesn't that just mean that it was already too late for them back in their original lives? And in that case, aren't they justified in not making any effort to change?

So the genre tropes are effectively taking neurodivergent people with (probably undiagnosed) disorders of some kind, and simultaneously telling them both that it's too late for them to fix themselves, AND that they could have easily fixed themselves in the past, with a little effort.

Obviously, I'm not saying that *all* ND representation is like this. But a whole heckuva lot certainly is. On the whole, I'd say it's a net negative, all around.


I think it's not so much about neurodivergence, but just that Japanese fiction, especially but not only Narou based, often just doesn't believe in fixing situation. There are as many overworked salaryman and office ladies getting isekaied as there are loner highschoolers, even among those highschoolers many aren't loners due to being neurodivergent at all (Mushoku Tensei being one exception of older man being isekaied who isn't salaryman). Several of those office workers are even getting isekaied not by truck, but by literally dying from overwork. And there is non-isekai fiction like Zombie 100, where MC somehow can't leave his abusive black company job until zombie apocalypse happens and destroys the society.

So, it seems that it's just common in those escapist fictions to ignore option of fixing your current life by your own means, or with help of fellow humans, and leave it to either death or apocalypse to simply alter the society or move you to another world. Maybe story about fixing your life isn't escapist enough, maybe because readers don't believe it's possible so they don't want to read fiction that "lies" to them. I remember discussions at the beginning of Zombie 100, which turned me and few others with it's premise, but several people were arguing that it's really hard to change your job and quit abusive company in Japan, so saying "why can't he just get better job" is too dismissive and that premise is valid. And if people can't even find better job in fiction, how can they deal with their issues without reincarnating?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:46 am Reply with quote
Rudeus of Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation pre-isekai persona was a Hikikomori......
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:11 pm Reply with quote
I realized that the article does not touch in Isekai....because that is way too much content. And having to wade though the seas of Isekai to find the few food fishes is not undertaking for the weak.

Mushoku tensei was already mentioned, so I will just add shousaman (manga) where our salary man is still working without fixing the causes of his condition , then when he gets Isekaied, he is still a hikikomori, in the form of a hermit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:11 pm Reply with quote
I was a hikkikomori for almost a decade... homeschooled so I never had a chance lol... naturally antisocial/shy... neurodivergent... became an anime fan at maybe 8 years old... my heart is with anyone who has struggled with social integration. And honestly I've found the more you try to "fit in" the more painful it is in certain ways... I think the truth is neurotypical people who can lead social lives aren't usually "happy" anyway, at least in the ways that you might think. The best thing you can do is be unapologetically yourself (bathe also... and don't get into weird paraphilias), work on your confidence (knowing your worth and boundaries not being arrogant), and don't be afraid to take things at your own pace.

I've lost friends for being who I am but the truth is those friends were very bad people. A lot of people will try to exploit you and gain things from you especially if you're on the spectrum. The best relationships I've ever had were with other neurodivergent people who a) had the inner calmness to be alone with themselves also b) aren't exploitative and draining. I hope that makes sense.

Wishing anyone who has struggled with loneliness the strength to bear it. It can be crushing. Keep pursuing your interests and try and maintain small connections where you can with people who respect you for who you are. Even when it feels impossible, it just means you haven't met the right people. Also having a cat is really nice...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 12:52 pm Reply with quote
Man even as a massive otaku, like this stuff was always laughable. Like, where do these people get the money to be able to survive this? Man if i just stayed shut in, id lose my house in 2-3 months. Yet, some do this for years? Like half the time it seems like parents enabling this behaviour.
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Turtleboy76 wrote:
Man even as a massive otaku, like this stuff was always laughable. Like, where do these people get the money to be able to survive this? Man if i just stayed shut in, id lose my house in 2-3 months. Yet, some do this for years? Like half the time it seems like parents enabling this behaviour.


I mean, parents might literally be enabling the reaction by supporting them, that doesn't mean the alternative is any better or they would recover without support. When I moved back in with my parents for a little while after losing my house (and my job since my house was not near theirs), they pushed me pretty hard to get a job to the point of making me cry about how inept I was at finding a job. I eventually did find one, but my money was so limited that I was still dependent on them. Then they started laying into me about how I needed to manage my money better and pay off my debts (because I was so desperate to have anything for myself that I used like $30 bucks to eat out for me and friend with my first paycheck that was less than $200).

The result was I stayed away from home more and more and isolated myself with the few people I did have because I didn't have the money to attend social events or the skills to make new friends. I think I could have gotten there in time, but I was pretty much going through a breakdown and being berated for not managing things better in the midst of it. This was also just before the pandemic. The end result was I found a partner who had a very busy job and could make up for the gaps in my earnings to where we could both have an okay living, but since they worked more I was expected to take care of the house. The situation turned abusive, with them yelling at me over minor mistakes until eventually we broke up over a sandwich I accidentally ate that they screamed at me over.

So yeah, I don't know what these people would do without support or if they were pushed, but I am betting it isn't immediately recover and get back to the workforce and social outings like using the term "enabling" seems to imply.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 3:50 pm Reply with quote
I think it's understandable that, due in part to anime raising the international profile of hikikomori (and NEET), it is not surprising that many people internationally recognize the behaviors and struggles in themselves and have co-opted the words for lack of a suitable vocabulary in their native languages and representations in their local cultures.

In fact NEET, it should be pointed out, is a term that originated in the UK in 1999. So while there is a distinct Japanese flavor to both Japanese NEET status and hikikomori, they are at the same time and on some level fundamentally human responses to stresses, pressures, expectations, and external circumstances.

NEET is a loan world to Japan, hikikomori is on it's way to becoming a loan word in possibly the 49 languages that have translated the wikipedia page, and has been in the Oxford English dictionary since 2010. I wouldn't call that beautiful, but I'm glad for Japan giving the rest of the world the words and images to open a dialogue in our home countries.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:53 pm Reply with quote
milkyy wrote:
...Also having a cat is really nice...


Nonsense. A person should have at least three (3) kitty-cats. Wink

FishLion wrote:
...The situation turned abusive, with them yelling at me over minor mistakes until eventually we broke up over a sandwich I accidentally ate that they screamed at me over.


So it seems this happens in real life too and is not just a common anime trope.
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