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ZelosZoidberg
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"-It's out of stock on Rightstuf." Welp there had to be a minus somewhere. Great review! I came so close to watching the RetroCrush release and now I think I'll wait for it to come back in stock. Right now all I can think about is what Project A-KO will look like with that 35mm print they found with the restoration process they have...
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DangerMouse
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:58 pm
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Loved revisiting this after all this time and such a great release.
| ZelosZoidberg wrote: | | Right now all I can think about is what Project A-KO will look like with that 35mm print they found with the restoration process they have... |
Yes! I'm so hyped for that!
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:51 pm
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From what I've heard it doesn't use a multiplane camera, as that had limitations, it was done digitally, possibly by scanning the cels.
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blahmoomoo
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:43 pm
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| MarshalBanana wrote: | | From what I've heard it doesn't use a multiplane camera, as that had limitations, it was done digitally, possibly by scanning the cels. |
According to the liner notes on the Blu-ray, that isn't true; 1995 was too early for feature length digital composition in anime (very expensive). About three minutes of footage in Magnetic Rose used a Macintosh to composite in CG elements (this was the SD footage that was printed to film and upscaled in this release), but the rest was traditional. Stink Bomb was entirely traditional, aside from a word processor that produced the graphics displayed on a monitor. Some scenes in Cannon Fodder had so many layers (up to 25) that they borrowed one of Studio Ghibli's rigs for better motion control. Cannon Fodder did have a few CG hallways, but the liner notes imply those were composited on film (the CG needed to be painstakingly color corrected by analyzing the generated image on a computer monitor and footage on a film viewer).
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Covnam
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:59 pm
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Got this in the mail a few days ago (from Right Stuf speaking of) and it's great to see it's a quality release.
Not sure when I'll get around to watching it, but good to know I'll be in for a treat when I do 
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Snomaster1
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:44 pm
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I'm simply amazed that Discotek actually did a dub for an older anime. For someone who likes English dubs,I have no problem with it. I'm just surprised they did it.  Not that I'm angry about it. Oh no. It's just that it's a long time in coming and I'm just glad to see it happen and I hope that Discotek does another English dub. I'd like that a lot.
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MagicPolly
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Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:50 pm
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I own Memories on DVD (though I still haven't watched it) but man is this BD tempting due to the sheer amount of extra content on it. I'd love to get it one day when it comes back in stock.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:41 am
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| blahmoomoo wrote: | | According to the liner notes on the Blu-ray, that isn't true; 1995 was too early for feature length digital composition in anime (very expensive). About three minutes of footage in Magnetic Rose used a Macintosh to composite in CG elements (this was the SD footage that was printed to film and upscaled in this release), but the rest was traditional. Stink Bomb was entirely traditional, aside from a word processor that produced the graphics displayed on a monitor. Some scenes in Cannon Fodder had so many layers (up to 25) that they borrowed one of Studio Ghibli's rigs for better motion control. Cannon Fodder did have a few CG hallways, but the liner notes imply those were composited on film (the CG needed to be painstakingly color corrected by analyzing the generated image on a computer monitor and footage on a film viewer). |
I never said it was present throughout the film. And no offence, but I already know all of that. Stink bomb shows no signs of scenes using CG, Magnetic Rose does at certain points, and the opening scene in Canon Fodder where the boy walks from his room has a corridor that is clearly 3D.
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Deacon Blues
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:53 am
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| Quote: | | It's currently out of stock at RightStuf |
Seriously? You're faulting an online retailer as a negative for this review? Try Amazon or a ton of other places that easily had it in stock and available for purchase.
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blahmoomoo
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:34 am
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| MarshalBanana wrote: | | I never said it was present throughout the film. And no offence, but I already know all of that. Stink bomb shows no signs of scenes using CG, Magnetic Rose does at certain points, and the opening scene in Canon Fodder where the boy walks from his room has a corridor that is clearly 3D. |
I guess I don't understand what you're referring to when you said a multiplane camera wasn't used. The review mentions it in relation to Cannon Fodder so I thought you were talking about that, but the liner notes state that multiplane cameras were used in Cannon Fodder.
CG backgrounds can be composited on film by using a film camera to shoot the cel foreground elements without the background and then use mattes (search Matte (filmmaking) on Wikipedia for more info; URLs with parentheses don't work on this forum) to put the foreground on top of the CG background. The liner notes don't specify that they used matting in those scenes, but it does state that for those scenes they had to match the computer to the film, implying they did not composite it on the computer. I suppose since the foreground was just the characters they didn't necessarily need a multiplane camera for those shots, but they did use one for many of the other shots.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:10 am
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| blahmoomoo wrote: |
| MarshalBanana wrote: | | I never said it was present throughout the film. And no offence, but I already know all of that. Stink bomb shows no signs of scenes using CG, Magnetic Rose does at certain points, and the opening scene in Canon Fodder where the boy walks from his room has a corridor that is clearly 3D. |
I guess I don't understand what you're referring to when you said a multiplane camera wasn't used. The review mentions it in relation to Cannon Fodder so I thought you were talking about that, but the liner notes state that multiplane cameras were used in Cannon Fodder. |
I suppose it could have been used for Cannon Fodder, in the review though it said
| Quote: | | The technique is most obvious in Magnetic Rose during the early scenes where Heinz and Miguel are flying through space debris |
If it is the scene I think they mean, that wouldn't be possible with a multiplane camera due the limited amount of space it has. Sorry for biting your head off, I at first thought you were being condescending.
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blahmoomoo
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 11:23 am
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| MarshalBanana wrote: | I suppose it could have been used for Cannon Fodder, in the review though it said
| Quote: | | The technique is most obvious in Magnetic Rose during the early scenes where Heinz and Miguel are flying through space debris |
If it is the scene I think they mean, that wouldn't be possible with a multiplane camera due the limited amount of space it has. Sorry for biting your head off, I at first thought you were being condescending. |
Ah yes, I see what you're talking about now. You are right, there is a shot or two in that scene where space debris is flying more toward the camera instead of perpendicular to it, and so it likely would have been way too many layers to move each of the pieces of debris independently of each other. Thus, it has the digital artifacting in the original version (on the Blu-ray) that indicates it was one of the digital composited cuts. Though there are many other shots in the scene where the debris is moving perpendicularly, and there isn't digital artifacting on those in the original version.
I think I tend to write a bit dryly, so sorry for coming off that way.
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Zalis116
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 11:31 am
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| Snomaster1 wrote: | I'm simply amazed that Discotek actually did a dub for an older anime. For someone who likes English dubs,I have no problem with it. I'm just surprised they did it. Not that I'm angry about it. Oh no. It's just that it's a long time in coming and I'm just glad to see it happen and I hope that Discotek does another English dub. I'd like that a lot. |
Well, there's a big difference in the economics of dubbing a short and well-known/well-respected movie, vs. dubbing some Some 1976 Mecha Anime Nobody's Heard Of that's 58 episodes long.
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ANN_Lynzee
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:21 pm
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| Quote: | | It's currently out of stock at RightStuf |
Seriously? You're faulting an online retailer as a negative for this review? Try Amazon or a ton of other places that easily had it in stock and available for purchase. |
The review got As across the board. There were literally no negatives so I threw that one in as a joke.
Seriously, chill out.
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ZelosZoidberg
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Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 3:54 pm
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| Deacon Blues wrote: |
| Quote: | | It's currently out of stock at RightStuf |
Seriously? You're faulting an online retailer as a negative for this review? Try Amazon or a ton of other places that easily had it in stock and available for purchase. |
Some of us don't like amazon for their poor treatment of workers. Some of us also live in bumf*** nowhere were we don't have access to other retailers that might have it. Also someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Right Stuf warehouse unionize? Right Stuf also knows how to package things. I can recall many times when amazon sent me items and the package was damage along with the item. Never had an issue with Right Stuf.
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