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Blanchimont
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 Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:05 pm
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How the heck are they going to skirt around Kickstarter's content policy with this?  ...
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enurtsol
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:17 pm
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| Blanchimont wrote: |
How the heck are they going to skirt around Kickstarter's content policy with this? ... |
They could point to the CNN interview that it's art. 
- So in many ways, this show is about fantasy -- as much as anything else.
I hope this news will temper, slightly, the reaction of the more easily offended who watch this episode, as it contains images and subject matter of a decidedly "mature" and even offensive nature.
This is a "difficult" show. And I hope it doesn't frighten anyone away from one of the most fascinating and deeply enjoyable places to visit, experience and learn a little about on earth.
It's easily one of the most brilliantly shot and edited episodes we've ever done. Tasked with evoking the work of Japanese auteur Shin'ya Tsukamoto, ("Tokyo Fist" and "Tetsuo, Iron Man"), The ZPZ crew came up with something truly mind-boggling.
If you ever saw the uncut version, your heads would explode.
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synaia
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:54 pm
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| Blanchimont wrote: | How the heck are they going to skirt around Kickstarter's content policy with this? ... |
When this got asked on the Fakku thread for it, Jacob replied with this.
| Quote: | | In general Toshio's books are not pornographic for the sake of pornography (this is the important difference), rather they are adult stories with sex scenes. You may be familiar with a few of his works as most of them have also been turned into anime over the years, Urotsukidōji actually has a few anime adaptations. |
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Metal Fennrir
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:37 pm
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Well shit. I guess I finally found something to pledge my money to
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encrypted12345
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:55 pm
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| synaia wrote: |
| Blanchimont wrote: | How the heck are they going to skirt around Kickstarter's content policy with this? ... |
When this got asked on the Fakku thread for it, Jacob replied with this.
| Quote: | | In general Toshio's books are not pornographic for the sake of pornography (this is the important difference), rather they are adult stories with sex scenes. You may be familiar with a few of his works as most of them have also been turned into anime over the years, Urotsukidōji actually has a few anime adaptations. |
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That logic might work, but I'm not sure if there's any kickstarter project that used that logic on kickstarter and got away with it.
Also, there was that whole Tentacle Bento fiasco a while back, and Legend of the Overfiend is probably the King of Tentacle hentai.
I'm hoping to get a digital copy. Can't keep a physical copy around, though donating it to the local library might be amusing.
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synaia
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:01 pm
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| encrypted12345 wrote: |
| synaia wrote: |
| Blanchimont wrote: | How the heck are they going to skirt around Kickstarter's content policy with this? ... |
When this got asked on the Fakku thread for it, Jacob replied with this.
| Quote: | | In general Toshio's books are not pornographic for the sake of pornography (this is the important difference), rather they are adult stories with sex scenes. You may be familiar with a few of his works as most of them have also been turned into anime over the years, Urotsukidōji actually has a few anime adaptations. |
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That logic might work, but I'm not sure if there's any kickstarter project that used that logic on kickstarter and got away with it. |
There's been a few iirc, not counting the eroge vn's that simply didn't mention the adult material.
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Nacirema
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:08 pm
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BlueCatMage
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:20 pm
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I think things are pretty bad when you can actually say you want a physical copy of this to own. 
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:28 pm
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| encrypted12345 wrote: |
When this got asked on the Fakku thread for it, Jacob replied with this.
| Quote: | | In general Toshio's books are not pornographic for the sake of pornography (this is the important difference), rather they are adult stories with sex scenes. You may be familiar with a few of his works as most of them have also been turned into anime over the years, Urotsukidōji actually has a few anime adaptations. |
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I think Jacob's been numbed by all the years of reading the contents of his site to come up with the funnyest, if not the worst excuse for h-manga, or porn yet. That's like what a highschooler would come up with when a hard core porn mag is found in his school locker. A judge and jury would get a chuckle out of it too just before a guilty verdict was read out.  I still laugh that he's trying to make money out what could get him and any one what purchases his subscriptions sent to prison for having in possession. Good luck with that mate.
| Quote: | | That logic might work, but I'm not sure if there's any kickstarter project that used that logic on kickstarter and got away with it.
Also, there was that whole Tentacle Bento fiasco a while back, and Legend of the Overfiend is probably the King of Tentacle hentai.
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Well may not the "king" but certainly the gateway to the others.
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littlegreenwolf
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:16 pm
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| Mohawk52 wrote: | A judge and jury would get a chuckle out of it too just before a guilty verdict was read out. I still laugh that he's trying to make money out what could get him and any one what purchases his subscriptions sent to prison for having in possession. |
First up, just going to state I work for Fakku as an editor.
Now just so you can understand, erotic comics are NOT illegal in this country. There is some controversial content that is in a grey area, but that mainly depends on what state you are in. Other countries have very different things that they have outlawed as well.
But as a U.S. company, FAKKU is very much aware of what is and isn't legal. For customers not willing to push the limits of where they live for digital content (or just don't want to see it at all), the subscriptions by default blocks out anything known to be illegal in some areas, such as rape, shota/loli, yaoi/yuri, incest and the like. You're not downloading instantly, for example, lolicon just because you have a sub. They make sure the tagging system is accurate for the digital subscription and the physical releases.
But controversial subject matter aside, erotic comics ARE NOT illegal in the US, and I have yet to hear a case where anyone has gotten into trouble for buying stuff from Fakku, outside of their wife or mother finding out about a charge on the credit card statement.
Urotsukidoji does feature sex scenes, but they are not pornographic in terms of every couple pages it's sex sex sex. They, like many adult targeted comics found and published here in America, features sex in the stories. It's not 10 out of 15 pages of a chapter like hentai manga usually is.
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Ialdaboth
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:31 am
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Still curious to see how Fakku will handle this; to take an example from La Blue Girl, Miko is explicitely stated (in both the manga and its anime adaptation) to be 16 years old. I don't expect it to go well.
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tailwhip
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:36 pm
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| littlegreenwolf wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | A judge and jury would get a chuckle out of it too just before a guilty verdict was read out. I still laugh that he's trying to make money out what could get him and any one what purchases his subscriptions sent to prison for having in possession. |
First up, just going to state I work for Fakku as an editor.
Now just so you can understand, erotic comics are NOT illegal in this country. There is some controversial content that is in a grey area, but that mainly depends on what state you are in. Other countries have very different things that they have outlawed as well.
But as a U.S. company, FAKKU is very much aware of what is and isn't legal. For customers not willing to push the limits of where they live for digital content (or just don't want to see it at all), the subscriptions by default blocks out anything known to be illegal in some areas, such as rape, shota/loli, yaoi/yuri, incest and the like. You're not downloading instantly, for example, lolicon just because you have a sub. They make sure the tagging system is accurate for the digital subscription and the physical releases.
But controversial subject matter aside, erotic comics ARE NOT illegal in the US, and I have yet to hear a case where anyone has gotten into trouble for buying stuff from Fakku, outside of their wife or mother finding out about a charge on the credit card statement.
Urotsukidoji does feature sex scenes, but they are not pornographic in terms of every couple pages it's sex sex sex. They, like many adult targeted comics found and published here in America, features sex in the stories. It's not 10 out of 15 pages of a chapter like hentai manga usually is. |
I more interested if you can answer why FAKKU still earn money illegally from scanlation. You guys just like double ended dildo trying to satisfy both ends (illegal and legal) and justify your actions whatever means necessary.
Also, Kickstarter doesn't allow sexual content it doesn't have anything to do with US law. Although I've seen many kickstarter campaign bending this rule with the same justification you gave.
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littlegreenwolf
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:08 pm
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| tailwhip wrote: | | I more interested if you can answer why FAKKU still earn money illegally from scanlation. You guys just like double ended dildo trying to satisfy both ends (illegal and legal) and justify your actions whatever means necessary.
Also, Kickstarter doesn't allow sexual content it doesn't have anything to do with US law. Although I've seen many kickstarter campaign bending this rule with the same justification you gave. |
Kickstarter does not allow pornography. Kickstarter has previously allowed comics to be backed that contained sexual content. If Kickstarter decides not to support our project, there are other crowd-sourcing sites we can turn to.
As to your question on scanlations - the website itself has to be redone entirely to move from a scanlation site to site that supports copyrighted releases. These things take time. The infrastructure was designed to pay for itself with ads originally, like any other scanlation site. With the introduction of the subscription model, add-free has been slowly integrated. No scanlations were ever behind the pay wall, and all scanlations will be removed by the end of the month as we move into the next phase of providing legal, non-pirated content.
| FAKKU wrote: | | At the end of December, all scanlations will be removed from FAKKU. We announced this 6 months ago and the time has finally come to go through with it. It will be sad to see all of the scanlations go, but in order to completely support the industry (both at home and abroad) it's time to part ways with our past. We have worked with so many different groups over the years and we even ran our own scanlation and fansubbing teams. Those experiences are what defined and led us to where we are today, and I'm proud of all we have planned for the future!
We know a lot of you are only here for the scanlations, and I understand that you will not be pleased to see them removed. We hope to bring back a lot of the content officially, legally, and in collaboration with the artists that created it. If you want to see that happen the best way is to become a subscriber or purchase one of our books. December 23rd will be the last day that new scanlations are uploaded to FAKKU, and on December 31st all unlicensed content will be removed. |
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tailwhip
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:33 pm
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| littlegreenwolf wrote: |
| tailwhip wrote: | | I more interested if you can answer why FAKKU still earn money illegally from scanlation. You guys just like double ended dildo trying to satisfy both ends (illegal and legal) and justify your actions whatever means necessary.
Also, Kickstarter doesn't allow sexual content it doesn't have anything to do with US law. Although I've seen many kickstarter campaign bending this rule with the same justification you gave. |
Kickstarter does not allow pornography. Kickstarter has previously allowed comics to be backed that contained sexual content. If Kickstarter decides not to support our project, there are other crowd-sourcing sites we can turn to.
As to your question on scanlations - the website itself has to be redone entirely to move from a scanlation site to site that supports copyrighted releases. These things take time. The infrastructure was designed to pay for itself with ads originally, like any other scanlation site. With the introduction of the subscription model, add-free has been slowly integrated. No scanlations were ever behind the pay wall, and all scanlations will be removed by the end of the month as we move into the next phase of providing legal, non-pirated content.
| FAKKU wrote: | | At the end of December, all scanlations will be removed from FAKKU. We announced this 6 months ago and the time has finally come to go through with it. It will be sad to see all of the scanlations go, but in order to completely support the industry (both at home and abroad) it's time to part ways with our past. We have worked with so many different groups over the years and we even ran our own scanlation and fansubbing teams. Those experiences are what defined and led us to where we are today, and I'm proud of all we have planned for the future!
We know a lot of you are only here for the scanlations, and I understand that you will not be pleased to see them removed. We hope to bring back a lot of the content officially, legally, and in collaboration with the artists that created it. If you want to see that happen the best way is to become a subscriber or purchase one of our books. December 23rd will be the last day that new scanlations are uploaded to FAKKU, and on December 31st all unlicensed content will be removed. |
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Nah I'm pretty sure your previous justification for pornography is enough. DMP yaoi kickstarter have rape/BDSM (& other stuff idk) was allowed with lesser justification https://twitter.com/junemanga/status/495363811453333504.
As for FAKKU sure, after many years accumulating wealth through scanlation and as aggregator site and another ~2 years function illegally and legally then they decided to remove illegal content.
Lets face it FAKU can stop way sooner if they wanted to but they wanted the traffic & more money and what better than being an aggregator site that they are.
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Tanteikingdomkey
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:06 pm
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Fakku is not any worse then crunchyroll I am curious if you go after them with the same amount of vitriol.
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