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KaitlynRAWR
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:52 pm
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I usually am pretty open about my reading preferences, I usually will read most things.
However, I am currently looking for a few new series to read, and I am wondering if there are any manga awful enough to full out, AVOID.
If anyone can shead some light on my inquiry, go ahead.
Thanks.
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sk1199
Joined: 13 Apr 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:38 pm
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I can say not to waste your money on "Here is Greenwood". I liked the video so I tried the manga. However the art is terrible. You can't tell one character from the other. The story jumps from one POV to another. It's just a train wreck without being as compelling.
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Mr Adventure
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:10 pm
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Narato, Bleach, Death Note. Each for the same reasons really. (never ending melodramatic bullsh_t that's only one small step up from Pokemon)
What are your likes and dislikes? I can probably determine what you'd hate from that.
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Imperialkat
Joined: 30 Nov 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:03 pm
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Mr Adventure wrote: | Narato, Bleach, Death Note. Each for the same reasons really. (never ending melodramatic bullsh_t that's only one small step up from Pokemon)
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I totally disagree. If you like the Shonen Jump stuff and somehow haven't read these yet, you should. Naruto and Bleach both have engaging plots, interesting characters, and lots of action while being completely different form each other. Death Note is a cat-and-mouse thriller where people are killed by words written in a notebook. Come on!
You could always check out the Worst Rated Manga list here on ANN. You can find it in the Encyclopedia section. It basically takes all of the disagreements we are bound to have while trying to answer your question and boils them down into numbers so you know where the ANN populus stands.
It would help to know your interests. What genres do you lean to/away from? Are there any story elements that are a total turnoff to you, even in a story that initially caught your interest? Do you like 'em short? Would you avoid a series simply because it was more than XX volumes long and/or wasn't finished?
One last piece of advice: you'll often find in the storytelling of anime and manga (among other things) that the journey is as important, if not moreso, than the destination. So don't let a lackluster ending by itself turn you away from a story--you may just love everything else.
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marie-antoinette
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:10 pm
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Mr Adventure wrote: | Narato, Bleach, Death Note. Each for the same reasons really. (never ending melodramatic bullsh_t that's only one small step up from Pokemon) |
Not that I'm recommending Death Note (I haven't read the manga and don't plan to) but in its defence it does indeed have an end. It's one of the things that actually impressed me, that they did end it the series even though it is so popular.
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bahamut623
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:11 pm
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Mr Adventure wrote: | Narato, Bleach, Death Note. Each for the same reasons really. (never ending melodramatic bullsh_t that's only one small step up from Pokemon)
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Oh, don't exaggerate. I hate the elitist bullshit that goes on around this forum sometimes.
Sure they're long, but as ImperialKat said, if you like shonen those are all solid choices. I prefer Bleach to the other two, but all three have their own value. Bleach and Naruto are fun action series, and if that's what you're looking for, they're perfect choices.
Manga to avoid would be anything that was cancelled or cut short. Sometimes they don't deserve it (Toto!) and sometimes they do (Gun Blaze West), but either way, if you end up liking them you'll only be disappointed by an abrupt ending.
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Mylene
Joined: 07 Feb 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:07 pm
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sk1199 wrote: | I can say not to waste your money on "Here is Greenwood". I liked the video so I tried the manga. However the art is terrible. You can't tell one character from the other. The story jumps from one POV to another. It's just a train wreck without being as compelling. |
I'm inclined to disagree here. I found the manga to be much more satisfying than the anime (which I also loved), and didn't have anymore trouble recognizing characters than in any other shoujo manga (I've had a lot more trouble with the later volumes of Fruits Basket than any of the Greenwood volumes.) I can certainly see where it wouldn't suit all tastes, but I don't think it's something to be avoided.
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.Metal.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:09 am
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The manga adaption of Escaflowne is rather crappy.
Edit: put evangelon for some reason...
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zawa113
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:55 am
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I would say in general, manga that came after the anime.
For example, the Princess Tutu manga, which is a 26 episode series but only 2 manga volumes long and they cut out the main villain and pretended someone else was! I don't know how they let them cut out a character that important. These type of manga are so far from the original anime that if you read them before you see it and like it, the anime is likely to take you completely take you by surprise by being so much different and better, I took this series in particular over to a friend's house to watch and her little sister (rather proudly) announced while we were watching it "That's not how it happened in the manga!". I immediately had to tell her "Of course not, the manga came afterwards and is an abomination of this wonderful show". But if you read it and hate it, it fails to give an accurate indication of wether you'd like or hate the series. Either way, it's usually best to avoid these type of manga as they never live up to the anime they are based on and they can severely change the story and either way, a 26 episode series doesn't quite fit right into 2 manga volumes. If you can't tell, I'm extremely offended by Princess Tutu's manga.
I've noticed a different type of these recently, like Gurren Lagann's manga which pretty much just follow the anime directly, but it begs the question of why not just watch the anime? In some chapters, it just felt like the anime abridged, even if it wasn't bad. I also rented the first volume of the Speed Grapher manga, a series I've just finished recently, and found a similar issue with the Gurren Lagann manga in which it was never bad, but it only made me want to watch the anime so I wasn't getting an abridged version of the events. To be fair, these types of manga are likely to indicate if the anime might interest you at all.
I might also advise against something in what appears to be permanent limbo, which is always annoying. As much as I really do like Beet the Vandal Buster, it appears to be stuck at volumes 12 on a cliffhanger, even if I liked the rest of it, this is really annoying. It's been on hiatus since September '06 (if wikipedia is to be believed). If you know this will annoy you, it might be something to avoid for now. If you don't care though, I'd consider trying this series out.
I personally have a problem with series that drag on for too long without anything significantly new or exciting happening with no end in sight, I tend to give up around volume 20 or so. You probably already know if you are that type of person or not, so I don't see a need to continue on this line. If you want something you can read and finish now, these aren't the ones to necessarily start reading right now, unless you want something on-going that is really long. In which case you can find just about anyone who will say "long running shonen A>long running shonen B>>>>>long running shonen c" and someone else who will say the opposite followed by someone who hates them all followed by someone who likes them all. If you are going to start a long running shonen series, I'd just read the first 5 volumes or so of each and decide for yourself, there's no single one series to avoid.
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Blackpeppir
Joined: 30 Apr 2009
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:58 am
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Mr Adventure wrote: | Narato, Bleach, Death Note. Each for the same reasons really. (never ending melodramatic bullsh_t that's only one small step up from Pokemon)
What are your likes and dislikes? I can probably determine what you'd hate from that. |
And you would be basing that on? Sure they've suffered from some degree of "fan decay" but at the very least give credit where credit is due, Bleach and Naruto are sort of the DBZ and YuYu for the newer age. As far as shounen manga goes they're pretty much archetypal and just because you have some sort of elitist hang ups concerning them, doesn't mean they're not valid series in and of themselves. Besides they must be doing something right as they're still both going strong.
Death Note is a bit of a different case but still a good series and Ohbata's art is amazing. Though even though the same author did RalGrad, that series was really bad, stay away from that one.
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Mr Adventure
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:52 pm
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Blackpeppir wrote: | Besides they must be doing something right as they're still both going strong. . |
Batman, Superman, and Spider-man are popular too, but they are pretty terrible most of the time. (for many of the same reasons as typical Shōnen, repeating plots, melodrama, villains that keep coming back over and over again, etc...)
Popular != Quality. This fact repeats itself over and over again in all media.
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GrimmHime
Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:33 pm
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Woah woah woah! Don't diss the Bat.... \
The Code Geass manga, Et Cetera, and Iono the Fanatics. I don't know, I just didn't like Iono. I tried. Code Geass differs so much from the anime, it's stupid. And Et Cetera was just plain dumb.
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KanjiiZ
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:07 pm
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Pretty much anything that hasn't ended and is beyond the 20th volume. Most of these series are getting trite and just lag on.
Also shoujo manga that have no end in sight. Ouran, Wallflower, etc. No shoujo is good beyond the 5th volume. They just lag on. Also, Beserk. It's not done yet and after volume 29 it goes downhill.
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Mushi-Man
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:42 pm
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KanjiiZ wrote: | Pretty much anything that hasn't ended and is beyond the 20th volume. Most of these series are getting trite and just lag on.
Also shoujo manga that have no end in sight. Ouran, Wallflower, etc. No shoujo is good beyond the 5th volume. They just lag on. Also, Beserk. It's not done yet and after volume 29 it goes downhill. |
That's a harsh generalization, long manga isn't always bad, you just got to be willing to good that far. I love reading Ouran and I'll probably end up buying every single volume. And everyone that I've talked to about it said that Berserk is amazing. Don't just throw long series out right away, actually give it a try.
Come to think of it, I don't think you should avoid any manga. Just read anything and everything. Sure you'll run into some bad ones, but you'll also find some that you end up really liking.
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KanjiiZ
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:55 pm
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Mushi-Man wrote: |
KanjiiZ wrote: | Pretty much anything that hasn't ended and is beyond the 20th volume. Most of these series are getting trite and just lag on.
Also shoujo manga that have no end in sight. Ouran, Wallflower, etc. No shoujo is good beyond the 5th volume. They just lag on. Also, Beserk. It's not done yet and after volume 29 it goes downhill. |
That's a harsh generalization, long manga isn't always bad, you just got to be willing to good that far. I love reading Ouran and I'll probably end up buying every single volume. And everyone that I've talked to about it said that Berserk is amazing. Don't just throw long series out right away, actually give it a try.
Come to think of it, I don't think you should avoid any manga. Just read anything and everything. Sure you'll run into some bad ones, but you'll also find some that you end up really liking. |
I'm not saying they're bad, just to avoid them. It's really annoying to buy a volume for a long series. This is assuming you buy,and don't read the scanlations, otherwise go right ahead and read long, long series.
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